Are they worth it

[Gazza]

I read a post about tackle prices and agree that the fluctuations in the Aussie dollar don't match their price in the store :dry:

But my question is does a 30$ sx what ever catch more fish than a Big W special with good quality trebles fitted cost prob 5$ all up

I'll explain my self a bit in my younger days we would wrap our sandwiches in alfoil so if all of a sudden we were caught short of chrome slugs we would wrap the foil over a sinker and hook :silly: worked a treat for barracuda salmon and even trev's

we made poppers out of dowel painted to what ever we liked and still to this day I make a slug/popper hollow tube that leave's a wicked bubble trail when retrived quikly pic without the trebles

Probably my point is lures can be made easily and cheap using Aussie materials and I can assure you there is no greater pleasure lure fishing when it's on your own home grown lure

Gaz

[Cowfish13]

Gazza wrote:

But my question is does a 30$ sx what ever catch more fish than a Big W special with good quality trebles fitted cost prob 5$ all up

Yes, the action of a Sprog (closest look alike to an SX40) is pathetic compared to the SX40. And the SX40's are between $12-18 depending where/who you get them off

But the homemade poppers would probably still be just as good, as long as you make them strong enough. I'm making most of the ones I'll be taking up north. And those tubes would be just as good as the store bought ones. Don't think fish like mackerel and tuna bother staring down the lure before they smash it like a bream does

[yoyo]

So cowfish where are you getting your sx40's for $12 ?

Most big name tackle shops have them around $25 these days....

[shortie]

10000's of $$ go into the R And D of making a commercial lure.

They manages to get a consistant action consistant quality and consistant performance.

Yes the $$$ is justified.

QA is essential getting the same QA from a home made job is near impossible.

[Cowfish13]

yoyo wrote:

So cowfish where are you getting your sx40's for $12 ?

Most big name tackle shops have them around $25 these days....

There's a member here by the name of Jerryl who sells them at that price, or atleast did. Havn't seen him for a little while. I bought up a few from some shops when they were selling them for $15-17 as well, so I havn't bought any for a while. $25... Jeez that's getting a bit steep. Glad I've still got a few left...

[Gazza]

shortie wrote:

10000's of $$ go into the R And D of making a commercial lure.

They manages to get a consistant action consistant quality and consistant performance.

Yes the $$$ is justified.

QA is essential getting the same QA from a home made job is near impossible.

Thats the biggest crock of shit I've heard where are these big $ lures made and as for development in OZ I doubt that :silly:

talk to some Aussie lure manufacturers no 2 commercial lure will work the same and may need tuning :woohoo:

Gaz

[Cowfish13]

Gazza wrote:

shortie wrote:

10000's of $$ go into the R And D of making a commercial lure.

They manages to get a consistant action consistant quality and consistant performance.

Yes the $$$ is justified.

QA is essential getting the same QA from a home made job is near impossible.

Thats the biggest crock of shit I've heard where are these big $ lures made and as for development in OZ I doubt that :silly:

talk to some Aussie lure manufacturers no 2 commercial lure will work the same and may need tuning :woohoo:

Gaz

Why do you doubt the development on OZ?

SX40's are one of the most famous australian Bream lures. If not the most famous. They were actually designed specifically for the Australian Bream. There are articals in magazines about it.

And why do we need to talk to some aussie lure manufacturers? I buy two SX40's, they both work perfectly straight from the box

[Sokak]

Well, my two passions are fishing and Golf and the same principal about gear applies to both. You can catch fish on the cheap (but reasonable quality) or home-made as effectively as you can with expensive gear. The difference is that when you fork out the $$ you get the added reassurance that if you don't catch fish, it certainly "can't" be the equipment. When using cheapy stuff you have the added doubt as to whether the fish just aren't in the mood, or if they're "seeing through" your cheap gear.

Fish ain't that smart. To catch them they've obviously got to be around, They've got to see, smell, or feel it proper for the conditions, and they've got to be in sufficient mood to attack what's on offer. I don't get to spend much on lures, but I know from experience that Bream are dead-suckers for certain baits and a couple little bobs off the bottom and if there's a fish around he's going to go in for a bite. There's a bit of figuring out to do as to where the fish are camping out, and based on how they nudge & tug the bait, when to strike. It's not as fun as doing the same with a lure, but it is a cheaper option.

As for $$ spent on R&D, I think they spend more money on efforts to convince people to buy the new-fangled thing.

[Gazza]

Why do you doubt the development on OZ?

SX40's are one of the most famous australian Bream lures. If not the most famous. They were actually designed specifically for the Australian Bream. There are articals in magazines about it.

And why do we need to talk to some aussie lure manufacturers? I buy two SX40's, they both work perfectly straight from the box

[pinkey]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if more money these days gets spent catching bream than catching marlin

[Feral]

halco/rmg 40mm laser pros and 35mm scorpions are both good local lures for about $8 each at Big W, the ecogear lures are certainly not 3 times better than them, thats for sure. Berkley's for around $4 in the small sizes are a pretty reasonable lure as well.

[shortie]

Gazza wrote:

shortie wrote:

10000's of $$ go into the R And D of making a commercial lure.

They manages to get a consistant action consistant quality and consistant performance.

Yes the $$$ is justified.

QA is essential getting the same QA from a home made job is near impossible.

Thats the biggest crock of shit I've heard where are these big $ lures made and as for development in OZ I doubt that :silly:

talk to some Aussie lure manufacturers no 2 commercial lure will work the same and may need tuning :woohoo:

Gaz

Really.

Why do you think the guys doing the comps are sponsored for. Its for R & D. They also work closely with the manufacturer developing colours for our market. They get trips overseas to see the manufacture and get to swim them in big tanks. Weight is added in the right areas. when these guys are happy they are realeased to the market. they are also sponsored so that if they win with a particular type then the public is more likely to purchase.

What is more of a crock of S hit is uneducated comments from people that have no idea what goes into the manufacture and development of a good lure.

Also remember just because the colour doesnt look natural to you doesnt mean it doesnt look natural in an underwater situation, taking into account weather conditions, light dark, shade colour of water.

[Feral]

shortie wrote:

Why do you think the guys doing the comps are sponsored for.

Aaah that would be marketing - trying to con joe average in to buying the lure.

[Malcolm]

Alot of not all R and D moneys spent would double as marketing and it all has to be recouped. Big marketing = confidence in a product and also more expensive prices.

[yoyo]

Feral wrote:

shortie wrote:

Why do you think the guys doing the comps are sponsored for.

Aaah that would be marketing - trying to con joe average in to buying the lure.

Cuts both ways though Feral, if the product doesn't work, then no-one will buy it !

Hence there is a vested interest in getting the R&D right, otherwise you are pushing shite uphill with a rake trying to get people to buy it.

I have endirsements in another of my sports and it would be pretty hard for me to stand behind the product and recommend it to others if I didnt get results.... it's the same thing...

[namyau]

shortie wrote:

Gazza wrote:

shortie wrote:

10000's of $$ go into the R And D of making a commercial lure.

They manages to get a consistant action consistant quality and consistant performance.

Yes the $$$ is justified.

QA is essential getting the same QA from a home made job is near impossible.

Thats the biggest crock of shit I've heard where are these big $ lures made and as for development in OZ I doubt that :silly:

talk to some Aussie lure manufacturers no 2 commercial lure will work the same and may need tuning :woohoo:

Gaz

Really.

Why do you think the guys doing the comps are sponsored for. Its for R & D. They also work closely with the manufacturer developing colours for our market. They get trips overseas to see the manufacture and get to swim them in big tanks. Weight is added in the right areas. when these guys are happy they are realeased to the market. they are also sponsored so that if they win with a particular type then the public is more likely to purchase.

What is more of a crock of S hit is uneducated comments from people that have no idea what goes into the manufacture and development of a good lure.

Also remember just because the colour doesnt look natural to you doesnt mean it doesnt look natural in an underwater situation, taking into account weather conditions, light dark, shade colour of water.

+10000 for you comment shortie couldnt agree more. but i dont see why tackle stores have to charge on average 50% more then what it should cost for the average joe to buy.

[Sokak]

If the product really did work, there'd be no need to release new versions every other year. With every improvement that comes out each time, by now we should have a lure that hooks up 2 fish as soon as it hits the water, it's that irresistable. :laugh:

Fishing freshwater trawling and cast & retrieve growing up, of course I had my "favorites" but what mattered more was getting the right motion in the right spot at the right depth to interest a fish. If a fish is hungry and something goes by that looks remotely edible and catchable with whatever effort that fish is thinking to spend, you should have a hookup provided the hook/lure doesn't break. I believe that has a lot more to do with the retrieve & action from the rod than a particular lure. I remember being amazed that a Jack would bite at a chrome-ish spoon with large orange polka dots, but it worked.

As for watching the neat videos of fish in a tank, you see exactly what they want you to see. Shots of the 7/10 times the "other brand" lure goes passed the fish ignored, along-side shots of the 3/10 times the new and improved lure gets hammered by the fish. I don't think they've figured out how to get fish to answer questionaires and take taste tests yet.

[yoyo]

Anyone seen the new SX43 ? for when the SX40 and 48 simply wont do the job........... ;-)

[jackman60]

i think ecogear lures are unbeatable they work so well 75% or more of my fish have been caught on sx40's and sx48 and px's

it would be a good feeling though catching fish on your own cheap homemade lure

[Angus]

As for the why release new lures all the time, at the end of the day its business. I dont mind that they release new models as after all its like candy for fishermen. Plus I want these brands to profit so they will stay around. That goes for the fishing industry as a whole.

As for the SX40 (and other high end lures), I dabble with a lot of different lures, but whether it be from confidence or actual quality, Eco Gear, Jackal and other such brands always bag me more fish. Even if it just a confidence thing, Im happy to role with whats working for me.

Angus

[thousandyards]

if you can find yr sx40's online for cheaper you should by all means get them. it's a balance of retailers being able to make a profit and meet expenses whilst staying competitive. if you shop purely by where is cheapest, then shop where it's cheapest.....probably online.

if you're happy to use $5 big w specials, go sick!! unless you're competition fishing - which none of you are.

it's starting to get a bit tired reading in threads where people's paranoia about companies trying to rip them off, or the government trying to rort fishermen, or someone making a mistake purely out of ignorance not malice, leads others to make stupid, ill-informed, in some case defamatory remarks about people or companies. really.....having an opinion makes it neither right or valid........anyone here work for a lure manufacturer or spent time testing lures for a company's R&D program?? then please, tell us about your experience. but if the sum total of your lure development experience is rummaging through the discount bin at BCF......perhaps it would be wiser to let it go......

[Little Grey Men]

This debate has been raging since Noah was in short pants. I do belive that we are being charged too much for high end lures but I also think they work better than a lot of the cheapies out there.

Feral made a good point though about two budget priced lures that really do work a treat...scorpians and laser pros. Great lures at a great price, and they've produced fish for a lot of people for years. I've had other cheap brands which end up in the bin after attempting to tune them and just giving up. Yes there is some real garbage out there.

Do you own research and find ones that do the job. My tackle box has lures ranging from $4 to $25, they all work.

As far as the competition guys go, when they fish, a hell of a lot is at stake. They use lures that they know will work. Most are in the high end of the price range.They are not willing to take chances.

I know that chasing bass at the dam I've used GVibes and I know they work well, but if things are really quiet I'll tie on a Jackall or Spro because I know that I'll have a better chance of bagging a fish. This has happened time and time again.

I don't buy high end lures, I go for mid range stuff mainly and try not to spend any more than $20, sometimes I go over budget a little if I see something that I know the bass will love ( or should I say, hope the bass will love )

Now, a cheap lure in the hands of a top fisherman, thats another story.

[chris_stewart14]

yoyo wrote:

So cowfish where are you getting your sx40's for $12 ?

Most big name tackle shops have them around $25 these days....

Are they really? I could swear I bought one a month ago at BCF for $19.. Are they $25 now?

[thousandyards]

the real question everyone is missing is not how much lures should cost and how effective cheap ones are.......the question is how do you keep your other half from finding out how much you've spent??

also.....does anyone know any creative accounting tips to write off fishing gear?? these are the issues that matter!!!!!!

[yoyo]

Do you need a Pro licence to fish in comps or anything like that ?

It's a tenuous link to make, but if you have a licence along those lines, a derivation of income is incinuated, so thus any 'materials' associated with that'occupation' become 'tools of trade', and thus a tax deduction...........

If you got audited you would have to prove income of some degree via that means though...

[Angus]

To fish ABT you need to be registered as an ABT member. But that may be a bit loose. Maybe not though...

Angus

[yoyo]

no that wouldnt cut the mustard....

[chris_stewart14]

All you would need is a source of income from fishing... Even if it's not consistent you can still get away with it.. Thats why all the comps give away prizes instead of cash usually..

[yoyo]

Dont forget though, start claiming 'work related goods' and the income starts to get taxed as well.

also if your 'goods' claimed are totally disproportionate to your income from that source, then questions are going to be asked....

Now, go register an ABN and that's an entirely different story...........

[chris_stewart14]

yoyo wrote:

Dont forget though, start claiming 'work related goods' and the income starts to get taxed as well.

also if your 'goods' claimed are totally disproportionate to your income from that source, then questions are going to be asked....

Now, go register an ABN and that's an entirely different story...........

Precisely... Win $50 for ninth place in a fishing tournament and then claim $600 worth of lures and $400 worth of fishing rods and alarm bells start ringing.

[tomca]

I've tested this theory before. I've trolled 2 similar lures at the same time and my Berkleys get smashed 3:1 over predateks and other higher end lures. The fish I've caught on sx40-60's aren't that fussy( flathead, pike, etc.) but the trebles on such a top end lure are a little on the weak side for my liking. 6lb leader and the trebles straighten, not acceptable.

Ready to be disemboweled for slagging off about ecogears :ohmy: