Picking on fishing mags.

[rayke1938]

last month there was a hot topic picking on a fishing mag so thought I would start another war. Just got the latest copy of a monthly mag and on the front cover photo of Simon Goldsmith who appears to be holding up a bass by the gob with body unsupported and then on page 99 another photo of Wayne Kampe holding up 2 bass.`Wonder what all the purists on that other site who are all too ready to have a go at us think of it.

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Cheers

Ray

[Dinodadog]

That was my ammo to another site, you see all the big names hanging fish up by there gob all the time, have a look back through some of the tournament pics in the mags.

[nadders]

speaking of this is the july edition of b n b out yet?

[yoyo]

are the fish dead?

[Little Grey Men]

No these fish are alive....look like tournament shots.

[fishingnut]

gettin there mouths ripped open i guess?

[waldo]

I have to say it is very much a sore point with me when badly handled fish are claimed to have been released to fight another day.

[AZZA]

How can you tell if a fish is alive in a photo, I for one handle my fish very carefully as I lift them into the boat with the gaff then with loving hands I dong them on the head and gently lay them on the ice

[Davo_Dinkum]

don't know i have only bought 4 mags.

they where a ok read and interesting enough i guess.

something to do at night around the fire when the chat is over.

but i gain more from this site and get more to read and look at.

i try to look after my fish if there getting released for another day.

and info on how to do so is always welcome i reckon.

in a photo it would be hard to tell if a fish is dead or alive i reckon .as being dead but fresh .

maybe the gripe is about comp fishers who keep them in a live well take a pic then a weight in then they go back,after a lot of stress and bad handling for the pic.

don't quote me on that its just a idea a guess,as i'm not certain what goes on.

i do sometimes think if only some of what u put back survive,maybe should keep the legal ones for a feed and put the under size back only.

i didn't comment on the last lot of (picking on fishing mags )or pictures .cause i don't really care and couldn't see the point .

whats done is done ,tomorrow is another day.

[rayke1938]

My main point is that it does not promote the correct manner to handle fish. When a popular mag shows a fish being hung by the mouth people will think that it is ok to do the same thing. Whilst I am here I will also point out that one of their writers is apparently not aware of closed seasons for bass in Qld and NSW as in two different articles he is promoting catching bass in the Tweed and Gold Coast Hinterland creeks.

Cheers

Ray

[Davo_Dinkum]

ah

well they show the right way and things and times .

as people see it and do the same as they see.

i see the point now and think it valid one.

monkey see monkey do.

[Angus]

waldo wrote:

I have to say it is very much a sore point with me when badly handled fish are claimed to have been released to fight another day.

Its all in the claim isnt it.

I for one cant stand when you see a fish with its eyes clearly glazed over with a caption "released". It annoys me no end.

I dont care if they clearly say "kept for a feed".

I just dont see the point of the decepetion.

Oh well.

It only makes those that should know better look stupid hey.

Angus

[Little Grey Men]

The fish usually have their fins up in defence mode in live shots. I've got a few shots of live bass.

Bass are like bream, when you get them out of the water their spikes are up and ready to jab ya.

[chris_stewart14]

Rayke I couldn't agree more.. Its all too common that we see people holding a fish up by it's gills or jaw. If your going to keep it then fine - it's destined for the same fate one way or the next but if your going to let a fish go then your whole reasoning is for it to swim away and live on..

If someone held us up by our heads and our necks supported our whole body weight, things would break and crack and would be severly damaged for the long run. Fish dont have chiropractors and doctors and surgeons to fix injuries - they swim away but pass away days later!

They should be setting an example for everyone out there.

[yoyo]

And gents let's not forget that, even being handled 'correctly', there are still massive amounts of pressure and stress placed on their bodies when out of the water...

if they were designed to live outside of the wter we'd be trolling kites instead of pakulas!

[Dazzamcgee]

Nice topic Ray !!

Well I can't say it would be any good to the health of the bass holding them unsupported so I think alot of ppl go with the old theory that fish don't feel pain and treat them with little respect however any living animal surely would experience some sort of discomfit when mishandled.

When u look at why ppl go fishing then u will see how they react in respect to the fishs health .....

I know that I too have lifted bass unsupport in the past (not trying to excuse myself!) but now over time I have a higher level of respect for them and their enviroment now considering myself more fish friendly.

U would think that comp fishos would have the highest respect to the fish they catch cause if it wasnt for the fish what else would they be doing???

[chris_stewart14]

Photos like this make me mad..

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[Line Tangler Dave]

rayke1938 wrote:

My main point is that it does not promote the correct manner to handle fish. When a popular mag shows a fish being hung by the mouth people will think that it is ok to do the same thing. Whilst I am here I will also point out that one of their writers is apparently not aware of closed seasons for bass in Qld and NSW as in two different articles he is promoting catching bass in the Tweed and Gold Coast Hinterland creeks.

Cheers

Ray

I didn't know there were seasons for catching bass. Can you get fined for catching them at the wrong time?

[Angus]

Line Tangler Dave wrote:

rayke1938 wrote:

My main point is that it does not promote the correct manner to handle fish. When a popular mag shows a fish being hung by the mouth people will think that it is ok to do the same thing. Whilst I am here I will also point out that one of their writers is apparently not aware of closed seasons for bass in Qld and NSW as in two different articles he is promoting catching bass in the Tweed and Gold Coast Hinterland creeks.

Cheers

Ray

I didn't know there were seasons for catching bass. Can you get fined for catching them at the wrong time?

Sure can Dave. If you get caught catching and keeping them now in rivers (dams not counted) its a fine.

Angus

[planetfonz]

chris_stewart14 wrote:

Photos like this piss me off..

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isnt that a redfin? arent those a pest?

i for one have only recently learned the hows and whys of holding fish properly ..

some of you guys seem ready to take no prisoners on this subject as opposed to a bit of enlightenment..

[Line Tangler Dave]

Angus wrote:

Line Tangler Dave wrote:

rayke1938 wrote:

My main point is that it does not promote the correct manner to handle fish. When a popular mag shows a fish being hung by the mouth people will think that it is ok to do the same thing. Whilst I am here I will also point out that one of their writers is apparently not aware of closed seasons for bass in Qld and NSW as in two different articles he is promoting catching bass in the Tweed and Gold Coast Hinterland creeks.

Cheers

Ray

I didn't know there were seasons for catching bass. Can you get fined for catching them at the wrong time?

Sure can Dave. If you get caught catching and keeping them now in rivers (dams not counted) its a fine.

Angus

Thanks Angus for advice.

For anyone else silly as me and didn't know there was a bass season, here's a link for some info that I found.
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Dave

[MOC]

I learn't the hard way about handling large fish when I broke the spine of this shovely trying to pick it up by the tail for a picture.

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[chris_stewart14]

planetfonz wrote:

chris_stewart14 wrote:

Photos like this piss me off..

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isnt that a redfin? arent those a pest?

i for one have only recently learned the hows and whys of holding fish properly ..

some of you guys seem ready to take no prisoners on this subject as opposed to a bit of enlightenment..

I did not know Refin were a pest but yes you are right Fonz. I could however post an aresenal of photos of Bass and other large mouth species in the same predicament.

[Tiny Tin]

chris_stewart14 wrote:

planetfonz wrote:

chris_stewart14 wrote:

Photos like this piss me off..

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isnt that a redfin? arent those a pest?

i for one have only recently learned the hows and whys of holding fish properly ..

some of you guys seem ready to take no prisoners on this subject as opposed to a bit of enlightenment..

I did not know Refin were a pest but yes you are right Fonz. I could however post an aresenal of photos of Bass and other large mouth species in the same predicament.

did you catch that refin in QLD?

[fishingnut]

i hope not, I thought they were only much further down south

[Do$tylz]

yep... seen that redfin pic on another site where the bloke was posting about it. There's a few others like that too.

I guess some people either just get lazy, don't think about it or just don't know. Most average joe's that are taught and educated on the correct methods are more than happy to continue with it if it means a better chance of survival for the fish.

[marty]

Unfortunately it is not just the mags that do it - the fishing shows and fishing reports on tv are all guilty of it. Even the guys that go on about catch and release and carefully supporting fish, will lift it with one hand in the next shot...or drop it in the boat when trying to get a hero shot. The guys on the tele reach a much larger audience than the fishing mags - and their audience is a lot broader too.

Don't get me wrong, I will lift a good fish out of the water for a photo, but I also support the body and do my best to minimise any damage.

There was a study done a while ago on fish (Flatties from memory) caught and kept in a tank. All (yes 100%) of the fish that were held up by the head without being supported died within the week. Apparently the strain on the fishes organs, etc does damage straight away but does not kill them for a few days. The same (or similar) report had a very high (over 90% from memory) survival rate for fish caught and supported properly. Wish I could remember the link as it was a very good read.

[dhess]

Pisses me right off. Just got my QFM and there is some d!ckhead on the front with his fingers stuffed inside a bass's gills. Makes me feel like shoving a few fingers down his larynx.

While we are on the topic of bagging fishing mags has anyone else noticed that all boat and car reviews in QFM are very positive. I wonder i this has anything to do with sponsorship?

[rayke1938]

On a positive note both new QFM and B & B have some great articles in them and are well worth a read plus with B & B you get a bonus pin up photo of noname.

Cheers

Ray

[dhess]

Did Noname make teh centerfold? Is he weaing a skimpy bikini? :X

[maccatuna]

responable, respect and return these fish aint gunnna last foreva

[rayke1938]

dhess wrote:

Did Noname make teh centerfold? Is he weaing a skimpy bikini? :X

That one is for kriso. Remember his avitar?????????? :laugh:

Cheers

Ray

[Angus]

Line Tangler Dave wrote:

Angus wrote:

Line Tangler Dave wrote:

rayke1938 wrote:

My main point is that it does not promote the correct manner to handle fish. When a popular mag shows a fish being hung by the mouth people will think that it is ok to do the same thing. Whilst I am here I will also point out that one of their writers is apparently not aware of closed seasons for bass in Qld and NSW as in two different articles he is promoting catching bass in the Tweed and Gold Coast Hinterland creeks.

Cheers

Ray

I didn't know there were seasons for catching bass. Can you get fined for catching them at the wrong time?

Sure can Dave. If you get caught catching and keeping them now in rivers (dams not counted) its a fine.

Angus

Thanks Angus for advice.

For anyone else silly as me and didn't know there was a bass season, here's a link for some info that I found.
/>http://www.bass-fishing.com.au/bass_fishing_season_qld.htm

Dave

No worries Dave. Thats the benefit of this site. Info exchange

On that note I reckon Tiny Tin made a really good point about people ready to crucify a member on their first offence. No one is born perfect. Dont get me wrong, if after a bit advice you still see someone doing stupid things without a care or though for anything, my word lets string them up

But if someone makes a post doing something wrong, but not intentally malicious, I think some good natured feed back will A: educate other readers and B: prevent that person doing that in the future.

Anyway thats just my two cents, but I learn something new here all the time from the thoughful posts. But the aggressive vindictive ones only disrupt a thread and then no ones the wiser.

Angus