Land Based Heavy Bait Outfit Advice

[Mr FeLiX]

Morning all,

Atfer a night out on the Wello Jetty getting anhilated on light gear, i've made a concious decision to by a heavier outfit for jetty/rock wall use.

I'm looking at a Shimano Tirajelo (unsure of length yet, but will be spin, not overhead) because they are a 3 piece rod and space can be an issue sometimes.

I need advice on reel choice but. I want to stay Shimano, and would like to keep the reel budget below $400. Because of what I want it for, it needs to have a good line capacity and a drag capable of dishing out at least 12-15Kg of pressure.

Any help or advice would be great, as I'm really stumped for ideas

[hooked_on_trout]

The rod is a Silstar crystal tip cost about 60 dollars.

The reel is an 80 dollar Okuma.

Can handle 70cm flathead, 100cm threadies, small sharks.

Might not be for you but it could be a starting point,to look at.

My advice, do not spend big dollars, IMO a bait rod/reel does not do the mileage a spin setup does but it cops a lot of punishment over time.

I also have an 6-8kg Egrell that I use for bait fishing and it being the most expensive rod, but I do not have any preference for it over the cheapo.

Remember 99% of the time its going to be sitting in a rod holder or propped up on a jetty somewhere with a chunk of mullet out in the water.

BTW. The toothy fish was most probably a bullshark, throw a bait out with a trace next time, there are a lot of Bullies at Wello point.

cheers

[Keen-as-fisho]

My landbased heavy outfit is a 12 foot one peice surf rod that dad gave me which is approaching 30 years old, oldy but a goldy, buggers me what make it is, its been rebuilt twice. All I know is that it came from accross the ditch. With that I use a FinNor 8000 deep sea spin loaded with 50lb fins and generally a 80 up to 150 lb trace, mainly mono trace but if I can't stop them nilon coated steal is the go. The reel has currently 550 metres of 50lb, more than enough. The FinNor is a good option and half your budget Just to let you know the biggest bully I've got with the setup was 2.5m, down the coast off the sand pumping jetty

[jeff f]

my land based heavy outfit is a 10 foot uglystick gb2070 and a calcutta 700 loaded with 40lbs braid. stops most things

[hooked_on_trout]

Keen-as-fisho wrote:

My landbased heavy outfit is a 12 foot one peice surf rod that dad gave me which is approaching 30 years old, oldy but a goldy, buggers me what make it is, its been rebuilt twice. All I know is that it came from accross the ditch. With that I use a FinNor 8000 deep sea spin loaded with 50lb fins and generally a 80 up to 150 lb trace, mainly mono trace but if I can't stop them nilon coated steal is the go. The reel has currently 550 metres of 50lb, more than enough. The FinNor is a good option and half your budget Just to let you know the biggest bully I've got with the setup was 2.5m, down the coast off the sand pumping jetty

Just curious ..how did you land a 2.5 meter Bully on the pumping jetty?

surely its too high , I have only fished there a few times.

cheers

[kiara_poltegerist]

Mr FeLiX wrote:

Morning all,

Atfer a night out on the Wello Jetty getting anhilated on light gear, i've made a concious decision to by a heavier outfit for jetty/rock wall use.

I'm looking at a Shimano Tirajelo (unsure of length yet, but will be spin, not overhead) because they are a 3 piece rod and space can be an issue sometimes.

I need advice on reel choice but. I want to stay Shimano, and would like to keep the reel budget below $400. Because of what I want it for, it needs to have a good line capacity and a drag capable of dishing out at least 12-15Kg of pressure.

Any help or advice would be great, as I'm really stumped for ideas

I'd recommend a Penn slammer to accomodate your budget if you're looking at a Tiralejo.

Since you're looking at such high drag output, why dont you go overhead? alot easier to put pressure on hard running fish, and alot more consistent in my opinion. I run a Shimano Speedmaster TSM4 with 50lb mono on my surf outfit and I'd say it's almost bombproof, not to mention alot easier on maintenance.

[jeff f]

Keen-as-fisho wrote:

My landbased heavy outfit is a 12 foot one peice surf rod that dad gave me which is approaching 30 years old, oldy but a goldy, buggers me what make it is, its been rebuilt twice. All I know is that it came from accross the ditch.

keenas if it came from across the ditch it would be a killwell

brilliant rod. if it's a "T section" its the best fiberglass surf rod ever made

killwell invented live fiber and sold it to wilson

[Keen-as-fisho]

hooked_on_trout wrote:

Keen-as-fisho wrote:

My landbased heavy outfit is a 12 foot one peice surf rod that dad gave me which is approaching 30 years old, oldy but a goldy, buggers me what make it is, its been rebuilt twice. All I know is that it came from accross the ditch. With that I use a FinNor 8000 deep sea spin loaded with 50lb fins and generally a 80 up to 150 lb trace, mainly mono trace but if I can't stop them nilon coated steal is the go. The reel has currently 550 metres of 50lb, more than enough. The FinNor is a good option and half your budget Just to let you know the biggest bully I've got with the setup was 2.5m, down the coast off the sand pumping jetty

Just curious ..how did you land a 2.5 meter Bully on the pumping jetty?

surely its too high , I have only fished there a few times.

cheers

Rope gaffed, straightened my gaff. This was before the 1.5m rule came into effect.

[Keen-as-fisho]

jeff f wrote:

Keen-as-fisho wrote:

My landbased heavy outfit is a 12 foot one peice surf rod that dad gave me which is approaching 30 years old, oldy but a goldy, buggers me what make it is, its been rebuilt twice. All I know is that it came from accross the ditch.

keenas if it came from across the ditch it would be a killwell

brilliant rod. if it's a "T section" its the best fiberglass surf rod ever made

killwell invented live fiber and sold it to wilson

What do you mean by T section, is it the style of rod or model?

I'd like to know more about the rod but theres no markings on it anymore.

[Mr FeLiX]

kiara_poltegerist wrote:

Mr FeLiX wrote:

Morning all,

Atfer a night out on the Wello Jetty getting anhilated on light gear, i've made a concious decision to by a heavier outfit for jetty/rock wall use.

I'm looking at a Shimano Tirajelo (unsure of length yet, but will be spin, not overhead) because they are a 3 piece rod and space can be an issue sometimes.

I need advice on reel choice but. I want to stay Shimano, and would like to keep the reel budget below $400. Because of what I want it for, it needs to have a good line capacity and a drag capable of dishing out at least 12-15Kg of pressure.

Any help or advice would be great, as I'm really stumped for ideas

I'd recommend a Penn slammer to accomodate your budget if you're looking at a Tiralejo.

Since you're looking at such high drag output, why dont you go overhead? alot easier to put pressure on hard running fish, and alot more consistent in my opinion. I run a Shimano Speedmaster TSM4 with 50lb mono on my surf outfit and I'd say it's almost bombproof, not to mention alot easier on maintenance.

I've had a look at the range of overheads that shimano has, but I don't think they do too many overheads featuring a levelwind system?

I might be wrong

[Gazza]

forget levelwinds pita reels (exception is a swedish ABU 7000 even then don't let the line get outta the guide or your first casts will be crap as the line needs to realign it's self} I've got a low profile baitcaster that stops the levelwind when casting so the line is fighting the guide most of the way

I learnt to thumb the line on a penn jigmaster and I still thumb the line on levelwind reels Doh :silly: it becomes a habbit and the plus side most larger overhead reels don't have levelwind so get into the habbit IMO overheads rule in heavy class fishing egg beaters for light weight stuff just my 2 cents worth

cheers Gaz

[Schmuck]

12-15kg of drag is alot of drag! Something that fits the bill and has a little less drag (6-10kg) is the newer shimano Baitrunner D series.

[jeff f]

Keen-as-fisho wrote:

jeff f wrote:

Keen-as-fisho wrote:

My landbased heavy outfit is a 12 foot one peice surf rod that dad gave me which is approaching 30 years old, oldy but a goldy, buggers me what make it is, its been rebuilt twice. All I know is that it came from accross the ditch.

keenas if it came from across the ditch it would be a killwell

brilliant rod. if it's a "T section" its the best fiberglass surf rod ever made

killwell invented live fiber and sold it to wilson

What do you mean by T section, is it the style of rod or model?

I'd like to know more about the rod but theres no markings on it anymore.

t section describes the construction of the blank

think of the rod being made of tapered t profile strips the length of the rod

the top bar of the T is the outer of the rod

the tail of the T sections all join together in the center of the blank

then an outer wrap of fiberglass

very strong and responsive

[Mr FeLiX]

Schmuck wrote:

12-15kg of drag is alot of drag! Something that fits the bill and has a little less drag (6-10kg) is the newer shimano Baitrunner D series.

I've had a look at these, and they seem to fit the niche I'm after well. Has anyone had any experience using them?

Also, would they handle fairly heavy braided lines well?

FeLiX :woohoo:

[Schmuck]

I've only used the older B series, which the D's are supposed to be an improvement on and they're very reliable and robust reels. Still have one that's going on 10+ years. The 3500B holds 300m of 20lb braid easily and the D equivalent should too.

[Mr FeLiX]

Schmuck wrote:

I've only used the older B series, which the D's are supposed to be an improvement on and they're very reliable and robust reels. Still have one that's going on 10+ years. The 3500B holds 300m of 20lb braid easily and the D equivalent should too.

20Pnd is about what I wanted to run anyways, so thanks for the advive Schuck. Definatley have to look into it. Probably start shopping around, see if I can get some decent prices on the rod and reel now.

Any suggestions?