Twisted leaders...

[Dazzamcgee 5]

Hey just tryin to find out if anyone has or does use twisted leaders?

If so do you make them yourself?

Tips tricks pros and cons please post.....

[Mack_attack 0]

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this is how u tie one

[Dazzamcgee 5]

Yeah Mack I know how to tie them just want to know if anyone uses them..

[Mack_attack 0]

i know their popular with impoundment barra fishos if that helps

[Dazzamcgee 5]

Helps heaps ...thanx

Thinking about using them for some of the bigger flatties.....

Plenty of times I've pulled back on BIG flatties only to break the 15lbs leader I was using so I was think maybe if the leader had sum stretch about it this would stop the breakage....

I could go bigger on the lbs of the leader but maybe it would be to big...

[Cowfish13 8]

People also use them for spinning for pelagics. Especially Tailor.

[Brian D 46]

Mate I use them on most of my bait casters, with breaking strain ranging from 16lb to 240lb. How I get this is 4lb platted with 4lb to make 8lb then doubled back for 16lb.

I especially like them because the binimi twist conntection with the cats paw is very smooth going through the runners.

The other reason I like them is there is no knot at the lure end. I use heavy duty split ring or the inverted connection like fire wire uses. Both these allow me to change lures quickly with out retiring knots. (Handy if you don't see so good anymore)

I have seen the twisted leaders being made with a cordless drill but I don't like that method cause the twist doesn't come out the end, well for me anyway.

PS I can't get the video to work so I don't know what Mack has sugested.

Post edited by: Brian D, at: 2007/07/25 20:49

[Feral 8]

I reckon they are for people with more patience than me! (Which is probably everyone)

[Dazzamcgee 5]

Thanks guy's for ya help much appreciated...

Might whip up a few this arvo and try and get out for a test run in preparation for next month.

Post edited by: Dazzamcgee, at: 2007/07/26 08:38

[jeff f 390]

i like harros knotted dogs they are great, hard to get though

[Mack_attack 0]

brian it works on my computer did you try waiting for a little while? otherwise go to www.yaffa.com.au/fw and there should be a link there

the guy might have mentioned it but when using braid sometimes it can be handy to use a slightly looser twisted leader to give more stretch in the line to avoid a bustoff next to the boat

[Brian D 46]

Yeah worked that time mack thanks

I do mine different, I plat mine like a wip or belt.

That way seams way faster.

[Dusky 33]

There is another type of leader material that is used..it's called knotable steel leader,

It has gel spun line ( super braid line ) with stainless steel braided over the top of it!

Comes in a rage of breaking strains 4, 6 , 10 15, 20 and 40 kg.

The wire is inert in the water, therefore dosen't give off an electrical charge like other wires.

Cheers Dusky

[kiara_poltegerist 47]

hey dazza. sorry mate, do you mean a bimini? not very familiar with the term twisted leader

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. soo sorry mate. but one thing tho, you mentioned that your leader was giving way, maybe the fish is still abit green and raring to go? could be your drag being a tad tight or your rod being abit stiff isnt it? just my 2 cents worth, coz it could be a couple of factors causing your leader to go. i'm assuming you're using a braided mainline, so there's not much stretch there right? there's only soo much that your leader can stretch. IMHO it's some other factors.

[Dazzamcgee 5]

I dont know anyone who has this problem but I will try explain it for U the best I can.

Well when fishing for flatties with lures U can feel the take straight away but when bait fishing the really big flathead take bait very very gently to a point that sometimes you can't even feel them nick ya bait. When your bait is gone and have had no bites you can be sure is flathead at work or at least most of the time anyway. My problem is after feeling the slightest so called \"bites\" I wait a few seconds or so for it to swallow the bait as U don't want to strike to early as there upper and lower jaws are rock hard. Larger flatties have a set of very sharp upper teeth and fangs that can cut through your trace line very easily. My line usually breaks in 1 of 2 places, right at the hook or at the connection between the main line and the leader due to me hitting them hard to get a good hook up.

This is why I was thinking of a twisted leader would stop the huge impact with its ability to stretch.

Sorry to rammble......

[Dazzamcgee 5]

No its not a Bimini it is a double length of leader material that has about 50+ turns/twists in it to produce a twisted single strand leader. The more twists, the more line that is taken up hence when weight is applied to the leader these twists act like a coiled spring allowing the leader to stretch and retract.

[Brian D 46]

Brian D wrote:

Mate I use them on most of my bait casters, with breaking strain ranging from 16lb to 240lb. How I get this is 4lb platted with 4lb to make 8lb then doubled back for 16lb.

I especially like them because the binimi twist conntection with the cats paw is very smooth going through the runners.

The other reason I like them is there is no knot at the lure end. I use heavy duty split ring or the inverted connection like fire wire uses. Both these allow me to change lures quickly with out retiring knots. (Handy if you don't see so good anymore)

I have seen the twisted leaders being made with a cordless drill but I don't like that method cause the twist doesn't come out the end, well for me anyway.

PS I can't get the video to work so I don't know what Mack has sugested.Post edited by: Brian D, at: 2007/07/25 20:49

Bump for Ryno

[bootyinblue 767]

Almost every term in this post has gone way over my head apart from power drill ;-)

[Angus 7,237]

Feral wrote:

I reckon they are for people with more patience than me! (Which is probably everyone)

Not everyone feral

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Angus

[ellicat 6,401]

bootyinblue wrote:

Almost every term in this post has gone way over my head apart from power drill ;-)

You'll be right mate - forget the knots and just use your liquid nails instead;) :laugh: :laugh:

[mackmauler 0]

My first thoughts about them is being twisted the line would look different underwater, id expect if its all twisted up there would be more vibration come off it then a smooth single strand. i also think if u twist say 3 strands of 20lb together itd be about the thickness of 50-60lb no flatty in the world would ever chew through that, most of the hard skinned leaders do a very good job, cant say i have many failures to try something new

[Angus 7,237]

I am interested to know to purpose of twisted leaders? Silly question maybe. But why not use a thicker leader? I know twisting adds a lot more strength etc, but surely tehre are some awesome leaders out there now that would save you a lot of work...

Angus

[Dazzamcgee 5]

Angus the whole twisted leader/bimini idea is to allow more stretch from the leader/trace. This design is most useful when fishing for hard hitting fish such as tailor, tuna etc etc.

Fish like the above strike hard and this is where u need that extra stretch just to get pass the initial hook up.

[Brian D 46]

Don't forget Barra Daz. The twisted leaders are great around pilons, trees,weed beds and snag area. It's an interesting point Mack says about vibration, it's got me thinking.

[blue_mako 0]

What lb main line do you use with your 15lb leader fishing for Flatties? And do you use fluorocarbon?

Troy

[Dazzamcgee 5]

Troy I use 10lbs mono as the mainline but before that I was using 6lbs fireline as the mainline. Switched over to mono for abit more stretch as the fireline snapped time after time. As for fluorocarbon no it is 15lbs mono tho I have 10lbs fluorocarbon as backup if I need to fish lighter.

[ryno1983 0]

Thanks brian that cleared it up.

And the split rings great idea. Just been practicing changing lures with a pair of pliers for the last 30 minutes, got the technique down now.

[blue_mako 0]

I like it how you say the leader knot keeps popping, yet you blame it on the line, haha

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. That's the anglers fault, not the lines. What leader knot are you using? Because some are not suited to leaders 3 times as thick as the mainline.

I don't get what you are talking about with solid hook sets? You say you need a quick solid hook set, yet you are now using bungee cord mono? :S .

Maybe you should think about uping your main line to 8lb Fireline or loosening off your drag on the strike, I agree you need to strike hard. But when I'm fishing for Bream and a solid Flattie jumps on, 4lb and under Fireline main, 4lb FC leader seems to be more then enough. Not ideal for Flathead but it sets the hooks when it's needed to be done. I've also hooked a lot of Flathead slow rolling small hardbodies with 2lb FC straight through and even with all that stretch you still hook them more often then not. So slow rolled hardbodies may help out a bit with landing your Flathead if you're going to use mono.

Troy

[Dazzamcgee 5]

OK Mr Antspants(Troy).

Why is it then I use the same rod reel line leader and of coarse Knots I can catch Jacks bream perch bass shovelnose sharks rays cod and eels just to name a few aswell as 70cm+ Flathead but when chasing the bigger models(80-100+cm) things turn sour ?

I can already hear U saying its the fishermans fault! but that is far from the case as I have run heavier line only to have them stick their noses in the air, so the whole point of this post is to see if an compromise can be settled between fishing light enough to go unnoticed but still having enough strength there for the extraction.

By the way 2lbs or even 4lbs line for a decent flathead is just a joke yeah u might get more hookups but can u keep them connected???:laugh:

[blue_mako 0]

Mate, I'm not talking about keeping them connected. I'm saying you can still set hooks on them with such light line. Just letting you know that if you changed your leader knot it could solve everything. But it all depends what leader knot you use which is why I was asking. If you use say a Uni to Uni with light braided line and 15lb leader. The braided Uni section of the line is much smaller then the leadered Uni section which may mean the braid section is actually pulling though the leader section.

Troy

Feral - lets keep it on friendly terms eh fellas?

[ellicat 6,401]

Me thinks the sooner the \"Report to Moderator\" button works, the better!

[Dazzamcgee 5]

ellicat wrote:

Me thinks the sooner the \"Report to Moderator\" button works, the better!

Ellicat, I'm just asking a simple question for a group discussion! I'm not here to be provoke into a verbal slinging match by juveniles....

I use the albright knot to connect the mainline to the leader.....

[Feral 8]

Never had an albright fail in use. Have had them fail on test, (you know give it a good tug after tying)when I have not gone back through the same way while tying the knot. But it fails easily when you make that blue!