Cruise Terminal Wavebreak

[ellicat]

One of the commenters from the CM article -

GCoaster of Gold Coast Posted at 11:49 AM Today

This is exactly what the gold coast needs, lets hope its not ruined by a small minority of winging greenie bludgers. if you want wide open spaces, scrub and no development don't choose the Gold Coast. Most of us locals are 100% behind this because of the facilities, jobs and profile it will bring to the city we love.

Agree. This will be tops for the area, subject to what the experts say in the Environmental Impact Assessment. A little more credible than a biased viewpoint from some.

[marty]

Save our spit protest is on sunday, I presume at the spit, not sure what time.

Protest starts at 10am. Need as many people as possible to show up.

[demarc]

You've never met me! How can you can me a drunkard wanderer...

In all seriousness, you think another casino will be good for the GC? What about the "lifetime" dredging? There are lot's of legit reasons to go against this, not just greedy fisherman.

I went through the 3 - 4 months dredging at Jacobs well, was not a good experience.

--julian(who just wandered back from the pub for lunch)

[marty]

GCoaster of Gold Coast Posted at 11:49 AM Today

This is exactly what the gold coast needs, lets hope its not ruined by a small minority of winging greenie bludgers. if you want wide open spaces, scrub and no development don't choose the Gold Coast. Most of us locals are 100% behind this because of the facilities, jobs and profile it will bring to the city we love.

At least this "green bludger" is educated and can spell "whinging"! In fact, I have been employed full time for over 15 consecutive years on the Gold Coast so "bludger" is a poor description too. And "most of us locals" are not 100% behind this - yes I live on the Gold Coast and there are plenty of people that do not want this.

Anyone who fishes, surfs or boats should be very worried about what this will do to the Seaway and surrounding area. If they build it at Wavebreak they will not only dredge the Seaway, but also the channels around Wavebreak - anyone ever noticed how many weed beds there are in that one area? And "us locals" also know how good the fishing is in the Seaway - good chance this will change for the worse if they continually dredge the area.

Not everything should be base on economics - we live here because of the lifestyle. This plan threatens to take away from this lifestyle.

There has been very little public consultation from our new Mayor on this topic - isn't he supposed to represent the views of the people???

So all you "whinging greenie bludgers" please join the protest on Sunday.

Marty

[ellicat]

Julian, I've read the reports

Marty, Do you know for sure all the answers to your questions ?

Will another man-made island island be placed upstream ? etc

I don't think anyone knows enough and the usual hysteria and sensationalism that couples change of any kind is at play.

What did the mayor say about your concerns when you wrote to/rang him ?

The government does need some projects to get the excess public servants a job, afterall.

EDIT Merged this thread with the previous one.

[tugger]

2 Casinos in the 1 city just magnificent more public space gone pffft who needs that, more concrete and super yahct facilities just what we poor people need all high and mighty brainiacs that think these things up I bow to your wisdom.

I think the people of the gold coast already have the mayor in their sights to kick him out for being a law unto his own already over his short reign

[haines490slc]

Can't do criminal and the Look No Policies party will be one term wonders in QLD

[Malcolm]

I;ll start by not miss leading AFO members to think the wanderers are a bunch a of drunks, I am but a lot are not.

Also no trouble has brewed haha at these events .

I think the opinions of "Drunken" Wanderers are as valid as anyone including the highly regarded internet moderators. Even more so as they know and love the area in question.

[demarc]

Well put. :-)

you sir, are a bad influence.

[ellicat]

Absolutely Mal. I know very little about it and I'm not that interested in how it affects users. I would still place more credence in an EIS prepared by professionals.

I always found it amusing when clients would tell me how their mates down the pub had told them the best business structure and assorted pieces of tax advice etc too.

The bloke at the pub or down the park always knows best

[marty]

Absolutely Mal. I know very little about it and I'm not that interested in how it affects users. I would still place more credence in an EIS prepared by professionals.

I always found it amusing when clients would tell me how their mates down the pub had told them the best business structure and assorted pieces of tax advice etc too.

The bloke at the pub or down the park always knows best

I have been directly involved in a project that required an EIS and I can tell you no company pays the sort of money needed for an EIS, without knowing they will get the results they are after. There are plenty of professionals that will "slant" things in any direction they are told to by the person who is paying the bills.

Ellicat - I don't have the answers to my questions, and a lot of that is because there has been no community consultation from our new Mayor. However I can tell you every plan I have seen proposed for Wavebreak has all the development directly on top of the existing weed beds, so I know what their fate is. The options put forward today were kept secret from the public. The Mayor has been extremely tightlipped on these types of questions when asked by the media. He has refused to attend the protest to listen to "other" points of view. There has been no vote on whether locals actually want this or not.

[ellicat]

Fair enough Marty. The mayor not showing up at the protest will be no loss. He would be way past the point of listening to the constituents in his decision process anyway, sadly.

I guess it would be good to see the whole plan for the area, but that may not even exist yet ???

I just hate the jump-to-conclusion before knowing the detail philosophy.

Good luck at the protest. It will be a show of support (or not) if nothing else.

[haines490slc]

Tom Tait is LNP so he will do anything the Can't do Criminal tells him

[tugger]

It is the way of the liberals to bellitle and demonise anyone who has a diferent view from there own when they are trying to push through change like this another tactic is to keep this hush hush for as long as possible so the community gets as little time to make voice heard let alone consult with the community about it look out for more of this with this state goverment and greedy developers that line thier pockets

Absolutely Mal. I know very little about it and I'm not that interested in how it affects users. I would still place more credence in an EIS prepared by professionals.

I always found it amusing when clients would tell me how their mates down the pub had told them the best business structure and assorted pieces of tax advice etc too.

The bloke at the pub or down the park always knows best

I have been directly involved in a project that required an EIS and I can tell you no company pays the sort of money needed for an EIS, without knowing they will get the results they are after. There are plenty of professionals that will "slant" things in any direction they are told to by the person who is paying the bills.

Ellicat - I don't have the answers to my questions, and a lot of that is because there has been no community consultation from our new Mayor. However I can tell you every plan I have seen proposed for Wavebreak has all the development directly on top of the existing weed beds, so I know what their fate is. The options put forward today were kept secret from the public. The Mayor has been extremely tightlipped on these types of questions when asked by the media. He has refused to attend the protest to listen to "other" points of view. There has been no vote on whether locals actually want this or not.

[Do$tylz]

^^^ isn't that every political party Tugger??

I agree with the concerns for the environmental impact. It will be interesting to see what the professional assessments come out with.

But - I may challenge you a little there Tugger with the call around the loss of public space (or whatever the exact working was), I think it will give more useable space. There's that massive patch of dirt in the middle that does nothing except hold festivals. It's the fringing edges where the cars drive around that gets used the most. I'd hazard a guess that there will be green parks, bars, car parks and all as part of the development.

[tugger]

Yes you right there in part Henry but its the liberals in power now in qld after stating that the labor party did this sort of thing in power and they would change it but nothing changes except its there turn to wear the critisim how they are rorting most things they get there hands on and to me at a alarming rate another diference their allegiances lie with big business and this development leans towards the rich and big business thats how I see it with my good eye open

^^^ isn't that every political party Tugger??

I agree with the concerns for the environmental impact. It will be interesting to see what the professional assessments come out with.

But - I may challenge you a little there Tugger with the call around the loss of public space (or whatever the exact working was), I think it will give more useable space. There's that massive patch of dirt in the middle that does nothing except hold festivals. It's the fringing edges where the cars drive around that gets used the most. I'd hazard a guess that there will be green parks, bars, car parks and all as part of the development.

[youngy]

Hi guys, i am as biased against this as anybody, you can bet your life that the fishermens point of view is the last one politicians will concern themselves with.

While i agree you can't stop progress, there has to be so much rearrangement of the Broadwater to get this done properly that i can't believe it is viable.

After this rearrangement of the Broadwater we will probably be left with no fishing zones, 6 knot areas and many more new rules.

It is hard to specify what exactly you don't like about this project when we don't even know what the final plans are, but trust is something that is in very short supply when it comes to politicians.

Getting a 300 meter long ship in and around the Broadwater is certainly going to take some doing, so much for a night camping on Wavebreak, once the casinos built it will be $500 a night.

Lets hope common sense prevails and we get a reasonable outcome, cheers wayne

[ellicat]

You could always get yourself a big gin palace, Wayne. That way you don't need to worry about the 6kn limit apparently :silly:

[Old Scaley]

Does anyone seriously think that this is more than a stunt? In the current economic environment is it likely that a private company will inject the billions required to fund this when cruise shipping in Australia is a marginal business at best. Just my opinion, but I think this is more of a distraction than a realistic proposal.

[youngy]

If those guys in their big boats have half as much fun as i do they are going well, cheers wayne

[ellicat]

Does anyone seriously think that this is more than a stunt? In the current economic environment is it likely that a private company will inject the billions required to fund this when cruise shipping in Australia is a marginal business at best. Just my opinion, but I think this is more of a distraction than a realistic proposal.

There is a link posted earlier in the thread. I think I posted it.

It is a foreign investor.

It is not just a cruise ship terminal - a 5 or 6 star hotel and casino.

Meant to draw tourists from local and overseas markets. Similar to what Packer has planned for Sydney.