queensland Seq Water Review of Samsonvale ( NPD) and Kurwongbah.

[rayke1938]

It is all here

http://www.yourseqwater.com.au/projects/samsonvale-kurwongbah?tool=survey_tool

The public info sessions are at Lawnton Markets on Saturday and North Pine Country markets on Sunday they basically will only be giving out the info in the attachment.

Spend a bit of time and make up your mind about what you think is appropriate.

Once they have made a decision I think it will be very hard to alter.

Cheers

Ray

[aussie123]

Thanks for posting this up Ray.

I just completed the survey for both lakes.

[Binder]

Did the surveys and registered for the workshop on 10th August, I think the sessions this weekend are just SEQ Water being at the local markets with info, not consultation..

[elops]

Bumping this to remind everyone that fishes or would like better access to fish either dam to complete the surveys and get involved in the consultation process. Kurwongbah in particular runs the very real risk of remaining as is.

Would be a crying shame to see this happen given the 100K or so of funds from all three levels of government and the thousands of volunteer hours that went into creating this gem of a fishery for the public to go to waste.

[Surfingant]

I've done both npd and Kurwongbah survey, didn't register for the workshop though as I'll be O/S. Would be a shame to see no changes given that this will probably be our only chance to get some more access for quite some time.

[Dinodadog]

done mine already

Dino

[rayke1938]

Really need kurwongbah opened up more. it has developed into a prime self sustaining toga fishery and also plenty of bass that will take some years to reach the 50cm mark but in the meantime plenty of 40 cm fish.

The yellas do not appear to have taken so well.

Need it on the sip scheme for a more sustainable source of funding rather than depending on council goodwill and when on SIP scheme the fly boys can fish legally all year round for bass.

This dam would be the best and most consistent fly fishing dam in SEQ and it would be a real tragedy if it was not opened up to its full potential..

There are areas in the dam that the ski boats and rowing club do not use that could be safely used for both yaks and leccys without impacting on the current users.

Please do yourselves and your kids ( our future)a favor and fill out the survey.I have my own ( Biased) views on NPD but kurwongbah will remain locked up unless there is a large public output for it to be opened.

SEQ water wish to use the cabomba weed bogeyman to keep it shut.

When cabomba was first discovered in the dam ( Identically by an alert PRFMA member not SEQ water) they chose to ignore it rather than take immediate action.

Ewan maddock and Mcdonald are also heavily infested with cabomba and yaks are allowed in Ewan Maddock and both yaks and leccys on Mcdonalds.

Cheers

Ray

[Binder]

A Couple of spots it would not take to much to make nice picnic / yak launching areas on Scout road that are not currently used by anyone.

Make west of the power lines a 6 knot zone, and north of the southern boundary of the motorsports centre a 6 knot zones, as well as the are in front of Mick Hafling park, and make it all shared. Wont worry the rowers at all, Ski boats, the only area they currently use they would have to give up would be the area in front of Mick Hafling park, which is not any sort of great impost.

Give the yaks access on the big spit off Scout road and the northern end of dam adjacent to the motor sports complex.

[elops]

Hectares of land with endless parking and launching spots currently being used by a handful of ski boats. Not a single one there this morning.

[aussie123]

If ski boats are allowed petrol outboard fishing boats should be as well.

[elops]

Might not be allowed after the review. Would be very hard to justify a small number of ski boats continued sole access you would think.

[aussie123]

Hopefully Steve.

I don't think it is right to lock up a publically owned lake for a minority group of water Skiers.

Rec fishermen have sunk a lot of time and money into stocking that lake as well so they should be allowed at least a shared access to those resources.

Same for NPD,I do not understand why or agree with the majority of the lake being reserved for a small group of yachts.

[elops]

Yes I agree NPD is a ridiculous set up including the BAS area.

[Luc53]

I strongly disagree with allowing petrol outboards on either dam. Have no problems with electrics.

Even a six knot speed limit would be excessive as most boats at that speed push up significant waves.

[Nog]

I've filled out the survey for Lake K. And put down my club as the interested party to put the fly fishos view. I agree with Ray (OMG:)), it is a fly fisho's paradise and like Luc I would not want power boats on the dam. Registered for the workshops as our club have a real vested interest in opening up this dam.

Hope it's not just a public relations exercise.

Norm

(President, BFFC)

[Luvit]

It doesn't take long, get a board.

[rayke1938]

I've filled out the survey for Lake K. And put down my club as the interested party to put the fly fishos view. I agree with Ray (OMG:)), it is a fly fisho's paradise and like Luc I would not want power boats on the dam. Registered for the workshops as our club have a real vested interest in opening up this dam.

Hope it's not just a public relations exercise.

Norm

(President, BFFC)

Get all your members and family to complete the survey and as many as possible to attend the meetings,

It is very important that as many as possible like minded people have their say because other groups will also be organizing themselves.

Similarly post the info on other forums that you may belong to.

Cheers

Ray

[Surfingant]

Bumping this one up, every kayak/canoe fisher out there needs to get on board and complete the surveys (Kurwongbah especially) if we want access. It really doesn't take long to do and is absolutely worth it for the potential fishery. Just think of the 'toga as you're completing it

[Milan]

Would great to get Public Kayak Access in these Dams. Surveys completed.

[rayke1938]

The second public consultative meeting was held today. Whilst the numbers were down on the first meeting there was a good cross section of all interested groups including council and FFSAQ and the consultants and SEQ water providing some initial feedback.

I was my usual slack self and did not take notes but here are some of my recollections.

There will be little changes to Kurwongbah with SEQ water being worried about the transfer of cababomba weed to NPD by allowing any additional uncontrolled watercraft access.

The rowing club and water ski club will remain with the water ski club investigating methods of reducing the long waiting list for membership.

The waterski and sailing clubs were very well prepared and put forth strong cases for the status quo to remain for their respective clubs.

NPD they are looking at allowing public non motorized craft access at a couple of locations.They received feedback that 2 of the locations that they suggested were not feasible.

I do not know what the impact on the PRFMA,s boating access scheme will be with open access being allowed to the dam.

The fees for the BAS are solely used to stock the dam and this would result in the monies available for stocking being reduced from approx 30k to 7k ( What we got from the SIP this year]per annum,

it has been suggested that additional sales of sip permits would make up for the loss of the BAS fees but by my reckoning they would hae to sell an additional 700 permits with every one of those allocating the funds to go to NPD

No possibility of internal combustion craft being allowed.

Looks like some trails for walking,push bikes and horse riding are being looked at.

They are considering a single fee to cover boating access to all SEQ water dams but this decision will not be made until they have reviewed all dams.

Looks like 4 stroke and di 2 strokes will be allowed on wivenhoe with a speed limit of 6 knots.

If you have not made a submission on NPD or Lake K you still have till 11th of Sept to do so.

Maybe some of the others who attended can add to my comments.

Cheers

Ray

[Binder]

Couldn't get word in on the Kurwongbah discussion, the ski club people basically hijacked that discussion group. SEQ Water basically wanted the ski club to fix their 10 year waiting list for access, and were happy for the discussion to revolve around the ski club. Must be a pain point for politicians!

The access to NPD group discussion was good, with access for paddle / non ramp vessels being proposed for both arms of the dam, at Gold Creek and Rush Creek, As Ray said both areas not very satisfactory, particularly if they end up keeping 80% as their full water mark. Suggested alternate access from the western part of Adsett road (goes in to the dam at the sunken bridge where the yella's hang out) although the road would need to be repaired. Would still only be good for water levels 50% and over.

Access from Forgan's cove to main basin for electric boats and paddle craft.

Absolutely using Cabomba as their line in the sand for no additional on water or swimming access to Kurwongbah, but open to suggestions for increased public use? No idea what that means.

Also looks like there will be a public access point to Somerset up near Kilcoy, not at the Villuneuve bridge, but somewhere near Kilcoy clubs access by the sound of it (Sandy creek possibly?) Also a speed limit to go from that access point upstream. Be good keep the ski lice further down. (Madness the way they get about in that timber anyway)

Oh yeah, their access fee they are thinking about, is for all vessels, not just registered boats. (IE including kayaks)

[rayke1938]

Couple of other points.

FSL of NPD looks like being set at 80% of current fsl. ( Full supply level)

Major works required at Kurwongbah and fsl to be lowered to 50% for 2 years.( this would be good for walking the banks if this was allowed but there are only 2 public access areas anywhere else is tresspassing.

Cheers

Ray

[Dinodadog]

I knew my lifestyle was to good to be true and wouldnt last forever. I am just waiting to see how they are going to stock NPD for all these people.

Dino

[Nog]

Once the BAS scheme is abolished I'll be directing my SIPS to NPD

Would suspect a few others will as well.

Norm

P.S. Bugger about Lake K, and again I couldn't make it due to sporting committments

[Dinodadog]

Its the BAS scheme that has been stocking most of the fish in the dam for everybody to catch. Sips money wont go very far unless they have a very very very large amount of people direct thier sips there.

Dino

[Nog]

That's exactly my point Dino. Being a time poor Dad, I can't justify paying the BAS money and hoping to catch a few down at the island after using a couple of 120Ah batteries and an hour travelling to get there. A bit over-the-top, but compare that to dropping in the kayak or float tube at an appropriate access point on NPD for a quick hour or two fish gets my money everytime.

Of course I don't have the numbers to back me up, but if others had a view similar to mine about the BAS then you would start getting alot more SIP allocation to NPD.

I'd be more than happy to pay extra to PRFMA on top of my SIPS to keep it going if that's what's needed.

Norm

[Dinodadog]

You will probably find there will be a fishing and boating permit required for all watercraft and there users but I bet there wont be any funds from the boating permit used for stocking. Anyway this will be at least 2 years away before this happens and they will change thier minds several times before then. In the time until then I'll enjoy what I am doing now.

There will have to be a lot of money spent on access points, parking, toilets etc etc Public access means safety access means big bikkies.

Dino

[rayke1938]

Reckon a permit to operate ANY type of watercraft no matter if inflatable,tinnie or yak/canoe will set you back at least 100 bucks per annum.

Seq water are going to have to spend megabucks on ramps,parking ,toilets etc and then the cost of enforcing compliance which will mean additional rangers watercraft and the clerks etc to administer.

Probably increase it considerably after a couple of years once they measure the true cost.

Cheers

Ray