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dhingchakdude

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Howdy guys,

 

I am back after long break, so I am coming back to Australia and its fishing time. As I had asked last time about drone fishing, someone told me that distance not necessarily means more fish.

I saw a lot of youtube drone fishing videos and most of them were using DJI phantom to catch Tuna, Carp and even sharks within 2 km range.

the reason I am looking for drone fishing is because the beach where I live, if I throw bait in ocean all i catch is sea weed, and I was thinking if I could throw bait somewhere within a 1 km range then perhaps I can find Tuna or other big fishes,

 

What are the recommendations of the experts?

 

Over and out

NoobFisher

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So you intend to be land based and fly the drone out to 1km I take it? 

 

Because you are using a UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) you then fall under the CASA (Cival Aviation Safety Authority) regulations and if you're a law abiding kinda person then flying out 1km to drop baits is against the law.....unless you have eagle eyesight.

The pilot must have full line of sight on the UAV at all times. No video headsets (FPV) are allowed to be worn by the pilot, however a second party can wear them ie. your fishing pal. 

Using the quad brings you into the same laws as any RC pilot out there. How much these laws are policed is for you to work out but I have heard of some hefty fines being handed out to people....especially when flying near airports. 

Food for thought......

 

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Mate fish are where the food is. If you take baits out a long way you may be going past the food. In saying that tuna and pelagic need deep clean water so a lot of people fly baits out a long way to do this. 

500m is a very very long way and should be heaps for most things.

I would love to try some beach drone shark fishing and having big baits out past the back breakers. 

Good luck and have fun. I hope you catch some crackers and send us some photos 

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we can see the drone within a KM range if its bright color?

I have read the regulations, and you are right. what makes me wonder is how come those who post video manage to send drone that far.

 

That said, then I guess DJI Phantom 3 standard would be an overkill, and I should buy some drone which can manage within 1 km range, having said that, do you guys have any recommendations on a cheap drone ONLY for fishing?

Even if we do not send it at 1 km range, even 500 Meters should be enough right?

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My boss has a phantom something or other he bought specifically because I believe the bait dropper attatchments are only to suit the phantoms. It may have changed since then but definitely something you should research before spending your hard earned on one that's not compatible. 

He got his off gumtree, came with extra batteries and not many hours on it and was 1000 so not a whole lot more than a new cheap one. 

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TLD50W. That get the line length you need. 

Even my TLD30 would hold enough. 

Please don't take my first post as a dig  

It is a great concept this drone fishing so get amongst it before the fun police come and shut it down. 

 

Up past nagalla rocks in fraser is a great place to do it because you're well clear of the masses. 

I wanted to get a DJI and use it when trolling. It has a follow me setting so you'd be able to set it back 50m and have it looking at the spread. It's cheating,  but knowing what lure is getting attention would be handy. Plus seeing aerial views of strikes would be awesome. 

 

Be sure to post up your footage. Look forward to seeing it.  

 

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Just now, dhingchakdude said:

Hey Drop bear!

 

How are you man. I remember you being one of the 1st ones to welcome me hear and give advice....

I have a bad cold and my foot is buggered... otherwise really well 🙂

How are you going? I would love to see that you had caught a fish that way.

TLD's are mid priced at best. They are a pretty good leaver drag reel. when you are talking about extreme amount of line and plenty of drag the prices go up quick!

I like my old TLD 25. It has caught lots of tuna, mackerel, kingfish etc and has been treated like poo but still works great. over 15 years old now. 

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1 minute ago, Drop Bear said:

I have a bad cold and my foot is buggered... otherwise really well 🙂

How are you going? I would love to see that you had caught a fish that way.

TLD's are mid priced at best. They are a pretty good leaver drag reel. when you are talking about extreme amount of line and plenty of drag the prices go up quick!

I like my old TLD 25. It has caught lots of tuna, mackerel, kingfish etc and has been treated like poo but still works great. over 15 years old now. 

I see....

so what about a reel like 750 meters? or probably 500

Aren't there any cheaper reels? And where can I get best deal in Adelaide?

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1 minute ago, dhingchakdude said:

I see....

so what about a reel like 750 meters? or probably 500

Aren't there any cheaper reels? And where can I get best deal in Adelaide?

I don't really know mate sorry. I have no idea about Adelaide and my knowledge on reel specs is rubbish. Can you go to a good local tackle store? Port Adelaide Bait and Tackle or fishing Sceen?

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15 hours ago, dhingchakdude said:

I'm sure there is. 

My bro inlaw purchased a cheaper overhead from the big shop that ruined the industry and on it's first trip out it failed. The internals of these cheaper brands will not cop the drag pressures of pelagic fishing. He lost his fish and nearly through the reel in the drink. 

He then went and purchased a TLD 25, under my intruction, and never looked back. 

 

If the 2 speeds are to expensive then get a TLD 25 like drop bear has suggested. That should get you a couple of hundred meters of 30lb line. 

I know okuma had a lever drag in a similar size to TLD's. 

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8 hours ago, Junky said:

I'm sure there is. 

My bro inlaw purchased a cheaper overhead from the big shop that ruined the industry and on it's first trip out it failed. The internals of these cheaper brands will not cop the drag pressures of pelagic fishing. He lost his fish and nearly through the reel in the drink. 

He then went and purchased a TLD 25, under my intruction, and never looked back. 

 

If the 2 speeds are to expensive then get a TLD 25 like drop bear has suggested. That should get you a couple of hundred meters of 30lb line. 

I know okuma had a lever drag in a similar size to TLD's. 

I do not want to use drone to pull the fish out, only need to drop the bait like these peeps

 

 

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2 hours ago, dhingchakdude said:

I do not want to use drone to pull the fish out, only need to drop the bait like these peeps

 

 

What Junky was stating didn't concern the drone. The distances you are talking about coupled with a big angry fish equates to a lot of pressure on your reel. Bottom line is the cheap shat won't hold up.

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36 minutes ago, demarc said:

What Junky was stating didn't concern the drone. The distances you are talking about coupled with a big angry fish equates to a lot of pressure on your reel. Bottom line is the cheap shat won't hold up.

i looked at shimano TLD 25,  about $200 , and some other brand okuma classic pro xp .

But Shimano is the most famous brand. It did have like TLD 20 as well, but I wonder if those could hold lines up to 500m

 

BTW,

 

Does anyone have idea on where to get this reel from? The local tackle and bait shop has higher prices compared to online,

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1 hour ago, dhingchakdude said:

i looked at shimano TLD 25,  about $200 , and some other brand okuma classic pro xp .

But Shimano is the most famous brand. It did have like TLD 20 as well, but I wonder if those could hold lines up to 500m

 

BTW,

 

Does anyone have idea on where to get this reel from? The local tackle and bait shop has higher prices compared to online,

 

Well to become famous one must have a product that is reliable and affordable. Shimano does this with the tritons. Best bang for buck reel ever IMO. 

 

Here's a tip I did on my TLD25 when I had one.

They have really small handle grip. 

Get 2 identical rod butt caps and glue them over the existing grip. The butt caps come in the correct dia too. Fuji caps I think. 

You have to cut a little half moon in the end of each cap so it fits over the handle shaft. 

Instant big grip like the 30's and 50's. 

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51 minutes ago, Old Scaley said:

I have no experience with drone fishing, but I can’t imagine you can fish 500 to 1000 metres offshore without some pretty specialised gear.  It would take ages to wind in and rebait even if you could detect a strike with that much line out. Best of luck, though!

lol right!

 

I won't be dropping it more than 500 m, but you do have a point.  Btw, how do those people on youtube video found a Tuna within 500 meter range in Australia?

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On 01/08/2018 at 9:18 PM, Junky said:

 

Well to become famous one must have a product that is reliable and affordable. Shimano does this with the tritons. Best bang for buck reel ever IMO. 

 

Here's a tip I did on my TLD25 when I had one.

They have really small handle grip. 

Get 2 identical rod butt caps and glue them over the existing grip. The butt caps come in the correct dia too. Fuji caps I think. 

You have to cut a little half moon in the end of each cap so it fits over the handle shaft. 

Instant big grip like the 30's and 50's. 

Wow pro tip. 

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7 hours ago, dhingchakdude said:

http://www.pennfishing.com/penn-reels-conventional-reels-penn-general-purpose/penn-general-purpose-level-wind/1285654.html

A quick google search is your friend. Took me one search. 

"MONO CAPACITY YD/LB 450/20 300/30 250/40"

So even if you use 20lb (IMHO too light for this sort of thing) you can not fit 500m on this reel. Granted you will get more on if you use braided line but remember some fish can take hundreds meters of line once hooked and if you are land based you cant go chase it down. If you want to fish out at 500m then you need 700m of line minimum. The drag on that length of line just through the water will be a lot more than 20lb. 

This reel has a maximum drag of 6.8kg . That is enough for some snapper or something small but there is no way you are gonna stop a large tuna on that sort of gear. 

While I understand you are looking for a bargain, price matters. If you are seriously wanting to have a go at this sort of thing i feel you are wasting your time an money on cheap poor quality gear. 

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On 01/08/2018 at 7:49 PM, dhingchakdude said:

i looked at shimano TLD 25,  about $200 , and some other brand okuma classic pro xp .

But Shimano is the most famous brand. It did have like TLD 20 as well, but I wonder if those could hold lines up to 500m

 

BTW,

 

Does anyone have idea on where to get this reel from? The local tackle and bait shop has higher prices compared to online,

the TLD 50 has these specs

  226450 Shimano TLD-50IIA Reel 57.3 oz. 700 yds./50 lb. 1095 yds./80 lb.,1200 yds./65 lb.,920 yds./100 lb. 4 Bearings High: 38"
Low: 15"
High: 3.5:1
Low: 1.4:1
Full: 37.0 lb.
Strike: 29.0 lb.
 
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Underneath the pic in the add is the discription. Click on the read more text and it is written in there. It will give you a ball park although the second reels discription on line capacity is a misprint i would think. It says the same capacity for 15lb as to 50lb. 

 

Look mate. To be blunt if you're trying to do this on a really tight budget then just go with what you like the look of. 

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7 hours ago, Drop Bear said:

http://www.pennfishing.com/penn-reels-conventional-reels-penn-general-purpose/penn-general-purpose-level-wind/1285654.html

A quick google search is your friend. Took me one search. 

"MONO CAPACITY YD/LB 450/20 300/30 250/40"

So even if you use 20lb (IMHO too light for this sort of thing) you can not fit 500m on this reel. Granted you will get more on if you use braided line but remember some fish can take hundreds meters of line once hooked and if you are land based you cant go chase it down. If you want to fish out at 500m then you need 700m of line minimum. The drag on that length of line just through the water will be a lot more than 20lb. 

This reel has a maximum drag of 6.8kg . That is enough for some snapper or something small but there is no way you are gonna stop a large tuna on that sort of gear. 

While I understand you are looking for a bargain, price matters. If you are seriously wanting to have a go at this sort of thing i feel you are wasting your time an money on cheap poor quality gear. 

Actually, I did see this 15/320 

But i did not know how to calculate it in terms of meter, since I had no clue what this capacity means....

so, whats 15/320 referring to?

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18 minutes ago, dhingchakdude said:

Actually, I did see this 15/320 

But i did not know how to calculate it in terms of meter, since I had no clue what this capacity means....

so, whats 15/320 referring to?

15LB mono, 320 yards sometimes meters. Gotta check their measurements.

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