queensland Mangrove Jack

[ellicat]

For those that are interested in chasing jacks this summer you might find interesting this Youtube clip I came across -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdaclVmjJA

 

[ellicat]

1 minute ago, ellicat said:

For those that are interested in chasing jacks this summer you might find interesting this Youtube clip I came across -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdaclVmjJA

 

Try this link

 

[Brodie_S]

6 hours ago, ellicat said:

Try this link

 

Sorry to break it to you but that’s not a mangrove jack that’s a American speices called mangrove snapper they look similar but they are different 

[samsteele115]

3 hours ago, Breaming with bro said:

Sorry to break it to you but that’s not a mangrove jack that’s a American speices called mangrove snapper they look similar but they are different 

So? They are similar yes, especially in the way they feed so it still applies here. 

Such amazing footage! Cheers Brian 

[Drop Bear]

Interesting thanks mate. I love watching this sort of thing. 

[Brodie_S]

They are completely different it’s like trying to compare a flounder to a flathead sure they might look similar and have the same feeding style but are very different in terms of catching them and biology . I would think the same I totally get why you would think they are similar enough  but it’s just different I’ve even heard people comparing black and yellowfin bream and how different they are in terms of catching them and they are from the same family can you imagine trying to compare a completely different speices and saying that they are close enough when you stop and think about it for awhile it doesn’t add up that’s my take from it anyway 

[AUS-BNE-FISHO]

Breaming with bro, have you ever caught a ‘Mangrove Snapper’? Because if you have, and if you’ve also caught manga jacks (which I know you have), then you can say stuff like that. Otherwise, they look pretty darn similiar to me. High level of aggression on the strike, same baits, etc. Just because they’re a different sub-species, doesn’t mean the same catching techniques don’t apply.

Thank you for the footage Brian - it looks pretty great!

Cheers Hamish

[Brodie_S]

Just now, AUS-BNE-FISHO said:

Breaming with bro, have you ever caught a ‘Mangrove Snapper’? Because if you have, and if you’ve also caught manga jacks (which I know you have), then you can say stuff like that. Otherwise, they look pretty darn similiar to me. High level of aggression on the strike, same baits, etc. Just because they’re a different sub-species, doesn’t mean the same catching techniques don’t apply.

Thank you for the footage Brian - it looks pretty great!

Cheers Hamish

No Hamish I haven’t but I know people who have and they have all said they are completely different I wouldn’t have said this if they weren’t completely differently and if I didn’t know what I was talking about. they look different there family is different pretty much everything about them is different besides similar body shape and colour and aggressiveness 

[Drop Bear]

Everyone is right. They are different but I find it interesting to see this stuff from somewhat similar fish.

[ellicat]

Hate to break it to you @Breaming with bro, but they are the exact same species. -

Mangrove Jack = Mangrove Snapper
Lutjanus Argentimaculatus = Latjanus Argentimaculatus.

You might want to question those people telling you otherwise

[ellicat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangrove_red_snapper

 

 

[Brodie_S]

Just now, ellicat said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangrove_red_snapper

 

 

Hate to break it you but that’s literally a mangrove jack not a mangrove snapper Look up the scientific name for mangrove snapper it’s different 

[ellicat]

Just now, Breaming with bro said:

Hate to break it you but that’s literally a mangrove jack not a mangrove snapper Look up the scientific name for mangrove snapper it’s different 

I did and it isn't

[Brodie_S]

 mangrove jack and mangrove snapper are both from the luthjunas snappers but are different speices ??? I don’t know what you’re talking about . Since you’re using Wikipedia as I source I will do the same to make it easier for you

[ellicat]

What Australians call Mangrove Jack, Americans call Mangrove Snapper, but they are the same fish.

[Brodie_S]

Look at my post again I re-edited it and including info showing they are different and also having proof. what you looked up was just another name for mangrove jack mangrove jack are from the snapper family and are often confused with other names this family includes fish like stripeys and a few other well known reef and estuary dwelling speices the mangrove jack can’t even be found in America waters cause mangrove jack are native to oceania 

[AUS-BNE-FISHO]

Look below that... It literally says that they are the same thing but it's just called a different species in Australia.

I don't think it's worth arguing over, (but we should probably see what is 100% correct). 

I think they are the same thing personally (so I agree with what @ellicat has said)

Cheers Hamish

[ellicat]

Ok, thanks for that. I searched "scientific name for mangrove jack" ans then "scientific name for mangrove snapper" (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk03n-gRcbhCVNBGvEGpm838Neqxp9g%3A1602577381693&ei=5WOFX_z0KbSGmgfIg5CQDA&q=scientific+name+for+mangrove+snapper&oq=scientific+name+for+mangrove+sna&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgkIABDJAxAWEB4yBggAEA0QHjoHCAAQRxCwAzoECCMQJzoFCAAQyQM6BggAEBYQHjoHCAAQyQMQDToICAAQCBANEB46CggAEAgQDRAKEB5QjOMDWNL4A2D_jARoAXAAeACAAdUBiAG9B5IBBTAuMy4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCMABAQ&sclient=psy-ab) and got the same result. I see the difference now is where they live.

Still think they are that similar that the video is worthwhile for those interested in targeting them.

[AUS-BNE-FISHO]

Just now, ellicat said:

Ok, thanks for that. I searched "scientific name for mangrove jack" ans then "scientific name for mangrove snapper" and got the same result.

So they're the same fish.  (According to science they are and you don't get more accurate than that)

[Brodie_S]

Just now, ellicat said:

Ok, thanks for that. I searched "scientific name for mangrove jack" ans then "scientific name for mangrove snapper" and got the same result.

Wikipedia sometimes can do errors like that you really have to dig deep and compare different speices by the family and speices not by the name that’s why this things confusing everyone. 

[Brodie_S]

Just now, AUS-BNE-FISHO said:

Look below that... It literally says that they are the same thing but it's just called a different species in Australia.

I don't think it's worth arguing over, (but we should probably see what is 100% correct). 

I think they are the same thing personally (so I agree with what @ellicat has said)

Cheers Hamish

Hamish look up mangrove jack and grey snapper they are different Wikipedia just decided to call mangrove snapper grey snapper and mangrove jack mangrove red snapper 

[AUS-BNE-FISHO]

1 minute ago, Breaming with bro said:

Hamish look up mangrove jack and grey snapper they are different Wikipedia just decided to call mangrove snapper grey snapper and mangrove jack mangrove red snapper 

The fish in my post above are Mangrove Jack not Grey Snapper, BWB. 

Wikipedia says the scientific name for a Jack is Lutjanus argentimaculatas, the scientific name for a Grey Snapper is a Lutjanus griseus, and the Scientific name for a Mangrove Snapper is the same as a jack. 

The Australian Museum says this is the scientific name for a Jack - 

https://australian.museum/learn/animals/fishes/mangrove-jack-lutjanus-argentimaculatus/

(The same as Wikipedia)

The Florida Museum says the same thing as Wikipedia about the Grey Snapper - 

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/discover-fish/species-profiles/lutjanus-griseus/

And another museum site says that the Mangrove Red Snapper is the same thing as a jack - 

https://www.fishbase.de/summary/1407

These aren't some source just written by a random person, they are trustworthy sources as they are the official sources of museums. I think the jack and the red snapper are exactly the same thing. If you can show me otherwise with trustworthy sources then I'll reckon that too  

Cheers Hamish 

[Brodie_S]

30 minutes ago, AUS-BNE-FISHO said:

The fish in my post above are Mangrove Jack not Grey Snapper, BWB. 

Wikipedia says the scientific name for a Jack is Lutjanus argentimaculatas, the scientific name for a Grey Snapper is a Lutjanus griseus, and the Scientific name for a Mangrove Snapper is the same as a jack. 

The Australian Museum says this is the scientific name for a Jack - 

https://australian.museum/learn/animals/fishes/mangrove-jack-lutjanus-argentimaculatus/

(The same as Wikipedia)

The Florida Museum says the same thing as Wikipedia about the Grey Snapper - 

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/discover-fish/species-profiles/lutjanus-griseus/

And another museum site says that the Mangrove Red Snapper is the same thing as a jack - 

https://www.fishbase.de/summary/1407

These aren't some source just written by a random person, they are trustworthy sources as they are the official sources of museums. I think the jack and the red snapper are exactly the same thing. If you can show me otherwise with trustworthy sources then I'll reckon that too  

Cheers Hamish 

Sure I’ve caught plenty of more evidence showing otherwise but I’m busy atm and I’ll get around to organising something sometime tomorrow . I know people who have caught them and they are a lot different the only thing I have to do now is prove now somehow with more then just family .genus. and native areas where this fish are found . This is proofing to be quite a challenge lmao lets see what I can find

[Drop Bear]

My understanding is;

Mangrove Jack are Lutjanus argentimaculatus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangrove_red_snapper

Grey Snapper are Lutjanus griseus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangrove_snapper

There are loads of Lutjanus including 3 of my favourite fish I have ever caught.

Lutjanus goldiei - or Black Bass

and lutjanus fuscescens - Spot tailed bass

Lutjanus argentimaculatus - Mangrove Jack

Thanks for giving me an excuse to show off some fish. haha.

By the way I still like the video

[Junky]

Paging Dr @Daryl McPhee

Assistance in fish ID required urgently. 

Dr Daryl McPhee. 

 

My favorite Lutjanus is the golden snapper....fingermark. I'm not digging up pics but they are great fish. 

[GregOug]

The middle fish is a beautiful looking fish @Drop Bear

[Brodie_S]

10 hours ago, Drop Bear said:

My understanding is;

Mangrove Jack are Lutjanus argentimaculatus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangrove_red_snapper

Grey Snapper are Lutjanus griseus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangrove_snapper

There are loads of Lutjanus including 3 of my favourite fish I have ever caught.

Lutjanus goldiei - or Black Bass

and lutjanus fuscescens - Spot tailed bass

Lutjanus argentimaculatus - Mangrove Jack

Thanks for giving me an excuse to show off some fish. haha.

By the way I still like the video

Drop bear said it best out of all of us lmao so yeah mangrove jack and mangrove snapper are different but similar in terms of class and family not speices explains why they look and act similar 

[samsteele115]

13 hours ago, Breaming with bro said:

Drop bear said it best out of all of us lmao so yeah mangrove jack and mangrove snapper are different but similar in terms of class and family not speices explains why they look and act similar 

Ahhh we have gone full circle! And hence why the original post is very relevant and helpful to us

[Kat]

Such lively debate boys.  I love that everyone is so passionate about fish and fishing.   Hamish, science BTW, is not infallible.  Science is of course a human construct and none of us are perfect. But you are right about choosing your sources wisely!!  Keep it up and keep questioning your sources.  It is so important in everyday life and in learning.

Cheers Kat

[crazywalrus]

On 13/10/2020 at 1:38 AM, ellicat said:

For those that are interested in chasing jacks this summer you might find interesting this Youtube clip I came across -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdaclVmjJA

 

hahahaha for a minute there I thought you had caught one Brian. 

[ellicat]

Just now, crazywalrus said:

hahahaha for a minute there I thought you had caught one Brian. 

Not for a few years, Ted.