queensland shultz tomorow 24 march

[MichaelJ]

there diff fish u may aswell say jacks and moses perch are the same thing aswell then

[fishyman]

After many years of catching FINGERMARK up north i can tell you kev they are a different fish. They resemble moses perch when they are young (have the black dot) but when they grow bigger and move to the reef the loose their spot. Moses perch live further south and dont grow as big.

[Angus]

They are different fish.

As was said, that are from the same family as Mangrove Jack, Red Emps, Red Bass and so on. But still different.

Angus

[Shrimpo]

kevinchen19870316 wrote:

i can't see any difference man. do u know small chick can be yellow or white while they can be quite colorful when they grow up?

One is pink/red and one is kinda like a silver bream colour with a black spot.

[kevinchen19870316]

so DPI's wrong?

[Shrimpo]

What is that meant to mean? Did they tell you they are the same?

[Shrimpo]

That other site isnt dpi and dpi say its a fingermark bream. Not a fingermark.

[kevinchen19870316]

yes, did u click on my link?

[kevinchen19870316]

now i see basically some ppl call golden snapper fingermark up north and at the same time, ppl call moses perch fingermark down here( on dpi!).

[Shrimpo]

the dpi link says fingermark bream and that other link isnt dpi is it. Anyone could have wrote that, Its not necesarily true.

[kevinchen19870316]

we call golden trev a goldie so why can't we call a finger mark bream a finger mark?

[kevinchen19870316]

http://www.fish.gov.au/fishnames/fishnames.php?pid=2645

just to let u see finger mark is the same as finger mark bream

[adventure_angler]

http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/2477.html

Fingermark (spotted-scale sea perch )

Lutjanus johnii

VS

/>http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/2543.html

Moses perch (fingermark bream)

Lutjanus russelli

There is the proof, TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

-Nelson-

[kevinchen19870316]

Lutjanus russellii & Lutjanus sp = moses perch = fingermark = fingermark bream http://www.fish.gov.au/fishnames/fishnames.php?pid=2687

Lutjanus johnii = fingermark = fingermark bream
/>http://www.fish.gov.au/fishnames/fishnames.php?pid=2645

nothing wrong for me to call a Lutjanus russellii a fingermark then.

[kevinchen19870316]

adventure_angler wrote:

>http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/2477.html

Fingermark (spotted-scale sea perch )

Lutjanus johnii

VS

/>http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/2543.html

Moses perch (fingermark bream)

Lutjanus russelli

There is the proof, TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

-Nelson-

i 100% agree with you on that! but u have to agree that moses perch's 100% same as fingermark! :laugh:

[fishyman]

moses perch arnt fingermark kev

[adventure_angler]

Genus Lutjanus includes about 67 species of perciform fish commonly known as snappers.

/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutjanus

That link gives the 67 species of fish in the genus.

Although many of them may have similar common names, they are in fact totally different species within the genus.

This is the case with the fingermark and the moses perch.

-Nelson-

[Cowfish13]

This is a Fingermark Kevin

http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/fish14.html

Fingermark are also known as Golden Snapper in the NT (Northern Terratory)

This is a Moses Perch http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/fish23.html

These were both found on the same site. Fingermark are a different species. Same Genus, different species.

I hope this settles it.

BTW: This has gone way, way, way off topic:huh:

[Bommie]

kevinchen19870316 wrote:

adventure_angler wrote:

>http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/2477.html

Fingermark (spotted-scale sea perch )

Lutjanus johnii

VS

/>http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/2543.html

Moses perch (fingermark bream)

Lutjanus russelli

There is the proof, TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

-Nelson-

i 100% agree with you on that! but u have to agree that moses perch's 100% same as fingermark! :laugh:

They are different fish, I'm sure one has 14/15 rays in the soft dorsal fin and the other has 13

[fishyman]

cowfish hit it on the head

[kevinchen19870316]

guys, what i wanna say is.

golden snapper's different from moses perch but moses perch can certainly be called fingermark. agree?

[Shrimpo]

It can be called whatever you want, but it is not a actual fingermark fish.

[kevinchen19870316]

the name fingermark means golden snapper in ur perspective but moses perch in mine.

[Bommie]

no

[Shrimpo]

Golden snapper means nothing to me.

[kevinchen19870316]

haha, different ppl call fish in different ways, nothing wrong with that. u know what, in china we call moses perch jinxiandidiao. haha

[Bommie]

but a moses perch isn't a fingermark,

its like calling a yellowfin bream a pikey bream

[pinkey]

yeah moses perch and fingermark are totaly diffent fish.

[kevinchen19870316]

to make it clear, my last word on this topic, ,moses perch can be called fingermark. in the eyes of those who call them this way, moses perch is fingermark

[Dan23]

I think what Kev is trying to say is some people refer to Moses Perch as Fingermark. Doesn't mean it is correct but it is just what a lot of people call them. I've heard countless people refer to them as such.

[adventure_angler]

Yeh, even so, I think everyone on here was just trying to point out the differences and correct naming to Kev. If he doesnt want to learn new things, why bother posting? :S

-Nelson-

[Bommie]

and its those people that call moses perch fingermark that keeps the misidentification going

[Cowfish13]

Ok guys, why don't we just give it a rest?

I'm pretty sure that Kevin has realised by now that real "Fingermark" and "Moses Perch" are different species. If he wants to refer to them differently/incorrectly, it's his choice.

[Shrimpo]

I just looked in the qld fish guide and moses perch are known as fingermark in W.A

And kev when your catching moses perch, what size limit do you refer to Moses Perch are 25cm and fingermark are 35cm? What do you go by?

[Tim a]

Cowfish13 wrote:

Ok guys, why don't we just give it a rest?

I'm pretty sure that Kevin has realised by now that real "Fingermark" and "Moses Perch" are different species. If he wants to refer to them differently/INCORRECTLY , it's his choice.

haha even cowfish is into this!

[Shrimpo]

Lol just noticed that myself.

[Cowfish13]

Yes, I know that it is an incorrect name, but I think we should give it a rest. I delete further posts about this in this thread

Thank you

[Dan23]

Shrimpo wrote:

I just looked in the qld fish guide and moses perch are known as fingermark in W.A

And kev when your catching moses perch, what size limit do you refer to Moses Perch are 25cm and fingermark are 35cm? What do you go by?

No one measures Moses perch do they?:S Just say damn was hoping that was a bream and chuck it back.

[kevinchen19870316]

haha, i never ever measured a moses perch cuz i just don't think they have any meat. most caught were around 15-20 so as dan said, damn hoping that was a bream!

[Angus]

Unless they are 30cm or so. Moses Perch are a damn tasty fish. Although I seem to only get them in excess of 30cm outside of rivers and creeks. For example Dunwich at amity and on the reef.

Like a Jack, the larger models move onto the reefs to live.

I wonder if also like a Jack they come back in at all?

Never really see them much bigger than 25 in smaller waterways though hey?

Angus