Distance Casting

[shortie]

THe world record for a long distance cast is over 800 ft. This was done on a bait caster.

Distanced of over 600 ft are done on a spinning reel.

Surprisingly Alvey or side cast reels compete very vavourably for the world records as well.

[shortie]

[Feral]

shortie wrote:

Surprisingly Alvey or side cast reels compete very vavourably for the world records as well.

Why would that surprise you? they have no moving parts on casting, I am surprised they dont lead the pack, zero friction and huge spools.

I've always been able to cast a lot further with Alveys than other reels.

[Fisher_90]

Im with you Feral, Alveys are known to cast long distance, I have a 600B with 6lb Mono for surf whiting fishing and i can cast it a good 75metres .

[shortie]

Alvey record is 671 FT.

About 50m shy of the record.

[Feral]

I suppose it is all relative, I would bet my biggest Alvey in my shed would outcast any other reel in any AFO members tackle box, because who has an overhead they would use on a 14 rod?

I reckon they must have custom size reels using very light line

[kevinchen19870316]

large spool = large coil = large energy loss when passing the guides+large energy comsuption when the line come out of the spool and form the coil+ large friction between the line and spool. that's basically why in ideal condition spinning reel and alveys cannot compare with baitcasters.

[Fisher_90]

No way Kevin, Have u ever used an alvey? They will outcast a Baitcaster anyday. Do you have a 13ft rod on ure baitcaster? Longer Rod, More Leaverage. Their is no way ure BC can outcast a 7 \" Alvey on a 14ft rod, O and large energy loss when passing guides... Ever seen a surf rod? They have Larger guides and the first one is usually 2-3inches in diameter.

[kevinchen19870316]

u will understand what i mean when u gain more knowledge

[kevinchen19870316]

one question: done physics b4? if u've done physics, passed?

[Fisher_90]

I think its a fishing site? Not a science site.

[kevinchen19870316]

science's everywhere. lack of knowledge will not let u catch more fish.

[kevinchen19870316]

please, PLEASE have a look at that VID and read what shortie said b4 u post. competitive casting's not the same as the casting u do when fishing and most of us know nothing about it!

[Fisher_90]

I have looked at it, They use super long whippy rods to get heaps of leaverage and cast a mile. On standard BC Gear u could not outcast an alvey on a 13-14ft surf rod.

[Fisher_90]

kevinchen19870316 wrote:

science's everywhere. lack of knowledge will not let u catch more fish.

I'd no more then u at alot of things and u'd no more then me for alot of things, IDC im not a nerd i couldn't really give a crap about science.

[kevinchen19870316]

what about an alvey on a 6'6 rod?

it's like we have a long jump comp and i jump on earth and u r on the moon...

[Fisher_90]

Could still win but not as likely

[Feral]

YOu missed my point Kevin, I said they must use specialist gear, because in their standard usage, no one would have a baitcaster to match the Alvey.

Yes that is because the Alvey sits on a 14 foot rod, and is casting big weights, while your bait average baitcaster probably is not on anything bigger than a 7 foot rod, and casting probably 1/10 of the weight.

[kevinchen19870316]

surf fisho use baitcasters as well. that's standard usage isn't it?

[Fisher_90]

Umm no??? Go to anywhere up or down the coast 90% will be alveys the other 9.9% will be spin reels and the other 0.01% will be baitcasters.

[kevinchen19870316]

in AU, yes. in US, not really

[Fisher_90]

Meh thats the US couldn't give a sh*t Tbh

[Fisher_90]

Like to see u dunk a baitcaster in the sand then rinse it in saltwater. It would be a pain in the ass using a bc in the surf.

[kevinchen19870316]

face the fact dude, the record now is kept by BC, not anything else. but u can use ur alvey to break the record if u r keen. hehehehehehehhe

[kevinchen19870316]

we r talking about casting r we? ok when u have a GT on ur line, OMG how many turns u'll have u crank that odd handle to reel that in..... BTW, i don;t usually drop my reels on sand if u think that's a big concern. u always do?

[Feral]

kevinchen19870316 wrote:

ok when u have a GT on ur line, OMG how many turns u'll have u crank that odd handle to reel that in.

A Lot less than a baitcaster kevin, A 700 series alvey pulls in about 55cm of line with each turn of the handle.....

[Fisher_90]

Nah u obviously never tried beach fishing, Its practically impossible not to get some sort of sand onto a reel when u got a 12ft rod. And 7\" will get u just under 22\" per crank on a retrieve, Whats a BC retrieve?

[kevinchen19870316]

at least 23. some r 30

[Fisher_90]

The alveys give around the same so u cant say 1:1 is sh1t and also u dont have a drag so u can winch em up and just cup the spool.

[Feral]

Hey My Alvey's have drags (in the sense of what baitcasters and eggbeaters have) ! its only the A series that dont, also by the number quoted by Kevin, the Alvey pulls in about twice as much line as a baitcaster per wind!

[viperon1982]

Wow the pendulum technique is a beautiful site to behold! Is Danny Moeskops the current champion?

Anyway, to answer Feral's questions, yeap they definitely are purpose-built gear specifically meant for competition surfcasting. The rods and reels are not meant for fishing but pure competition. It's an extremely popular sport in the UK as well as in my little island Singapore. It has yet to catch on in Australia, but it'll be cool if it does. The techniques and methods of casting is quite an art form by itself.

However, for real surf fishing they do use \"baitcasters\", but would be more appropriately named \"multipliers\", \"big game multiplers\" or what most of us would know as \"overheads\". But ultimately they all work the same way, more or less. These reels are then matched with surf rods meant to hold overheads only.

Of coz, being such a complicated \"mechanism\", the overheads aren't very well suited for \"sandy\" conditions and so are better used at places like jetties. Alveys are definitely more \"forgivable\" on beaches, that I won't dispute. Easy to use, easy to cast, no worries no dramas.

But the ones I've used were in crappy conditions, how do you guys \"fight\" the fish if there's no drag then? I'm a greenhorn with alveys.. it'd be great to get some knowledge on their workings!

[viperon1982]

Oh okay, so Alveys DO have drags!

[Fisher_90]

Some do some dont, They are just a spool i prefer the ones without and i just cup the spool with my hand or just wind if the fish isnt to big.

[viperon1982]

Fisher_90 wrote:

Some do some dont, They are just a spool i prefer the ones without and i just cup the spool with my hand or just wind if the fish isnt to big.

I see. But what happens if its a BIG fish, like a cobia for example?

[Liquor Box]

there is a distance casting club in WA, there is a web site but i dont have a link.

Rex Hunt used an overhead on the beach in his last few series on tv.

I have tried to cast my \"bigger\" overhad style reel and with practice have achieved distances of over 700mm before a birdsnest ruins my day!

[kevinchen19870316]

i don;t see alveys dominate the world sadly, but i see baitcasters used exclusively in bass tournaments and serious anglers, as well as spinning gears( more for serious anglers, not many in BASS tournament)

[viperon1982]

Liquor Box wrote:

there is a distance casting club in WA, there is a web site but i dont have a link.

Rex Hunt used an overhead on the beach in his last few series on tv.

I have tried to cast my \"bigger\" overhad style reel and with practice have achieved distances of over 700mm before a birdsnest ruins my day!

Haha.. did my eyes deceive me, 700mm??? :laugh:

[kevinchen19870316]

ha, those reels used in comp r modified, usually the overheads r really hard to cast without a brake system.

i love my dc now. no super distance, but plain easy to cast. and the fluid retrieve makes fishing so enjoyable.

[Feral]

kevinchen19870316 wrote:

i don;t see alveys dominate the world sadly

No they dont, and to be honest I rarely use mine these days, they just sit in the shed because my knees are to dodgy for surf or rock fishing.

I find Spinning reels (and I assume baitcasters, if I can ever learn to cast the mongrels in a straight line) are so much easier to use when using 5 - 7 foot rods. One handed casting, not having to turn the reel around etc etc.

I really love baitcasters for boat fishing with live bait, push the button, away she goes. All one handed.

[jeff f]

Feral wrote:

I suppose it is all relative, I would bet my biggest Alvey in my shed would outcast any other reel in any AFO members tackle box, because who has an overhead they would use on a 14 rod?

I reckon they must have custom size reels using very light line

i've got one but i only use it on a 10' rod untill i get a tiralejo 1300