Qld Gun Control

[tomca]

I must have missed something in the other thread for it to have been locked but there is merit in most of the opinions put forward, finding the right balance is the hard part.

Here in Qld we have concealed carry for security guards while NSW does not. In NSW the armoured car escorts must be uniformed and overt gun carry, making the guards easy to identify. NSW has had over 2 dozen armoured car robberies (successful and not) just last year. Here in Qld it has been over a decade since the last one, mainly because the risk of not knowing who might be armed in the crowd deters them.

That is why Qld has way more ATM ram raids in the middle of the night. No one to shoot at the criminals. Have to remember most crims are rather gutless and would rather deal with a soft judge than cop a serious injury from a potential victim.

[fishingnut]

Gun controll also takes both hands...

[ONTHECHEW]

Gun controll also takes both hands...

Only if you are a bad shot

Personally I believe the australian laws to do with gun control are at least more proactive then our shoot first ask questions later neighbours the US. As a previous member of the of the queensland/austrailian pistol team I saw first hand the pros and cons of gun control legislations.

At the end of the day the wrong people will always get their hands on firearms no matter what laws are applicable. It is the ability to still have peoples freedom of choice and lack of discrimination of those who choose to use them as a sport is where sometimes the media can jump on the wrong band wagon.

Everytime someone stabs someone we don't ban knives, every time a speeding or drunk driver kills someone we don't ban cars, Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I would hate to be in US law inforcement knowing that every man and their dog probably have a gun, not saying that illegal gun ownership is not a problem in Australia, but at least the Australian public have more common sense about gun control then other countries.

Andrew

[old mate]

As long as Background checks are done everything should be okay, and all the waiting periods on licence and Permits to acquire stay in place there should be no harm in Qld.

There is also a rule that anyone with a criminal record of within 5 years can not apply for a firearms licence.

I am still yet to here of Peoples safe's being checked like I was told it would in the first few months

[tomca]

I've had my safe checked twice ( 2 different addresses ) And I have a mix of long arms and handguns so I guess for the limited resources provided for checks, they pick higher risk targets to inspect.

[old mate]

Yeah those handguns would not help you for check ups. I only have 4 rifles

[robin]

I will admit, that I think guns are great and fun to play with, however at the moment I have sold mine as I have a 7 month old boy, and even tho he is too young to know anything and I am very secure with my things, accidents can happen, or when he grows up and starts rebeling , he may take my key to the safe and the guns also, I can Say that I'm safe with guns, however I can not predict that my son will grow up to respect them.

The biggest thing i find stupid in QLD is that you can't store your guns offsite in secure storage or even at the range, if you could do that, I would buy guns again, as a bigger prevention is there, its alot safer then keeping them at home.

People that own guns for the sake of keeping safe at night are stupid, what if the thief breaks in and takes it, or they break in , you get your gun and accidentally shoot your wife or child.

If you have them there should be a reason for it, like hunting, farms, law enforcement, sport, probley others that I cant think of.

[old mate]

SSAA at Belmont allow you store guns and so does Rebel gun works at woollongabba I believe.

But I understand where you are coming from

[tomca]

Qld gun laws do not allow for self defence for recreational shooters, so using one on an intruder would land you in a world of hurt. Even a Security guard who shoots a bad guy, in a balaclava, with a smoking gun, will be arrested. What happens after that is up to the DPP. And from my experience within the crowd control segment of the industry (no weapons of any sort allowed), they always push police to find evidence of excessive force on the side of the licenced individual, not what the grub did. So I imagine a lot more scrutiny for any firearm discharge in the direction of another human.

[Old Scaley]

Back in the 80s you could buy guns at KMArt, AMart and pretty much everywhere else. People had to sign a gun register and declare that they didn't have a mental condition, hadn't been in jail or a psych ward in the last 5 years. No background checks were made, it was all self disclosure. I used to work at one of those places when I was pretty young and sold some of those guns to all sorts of bogans.

The poor old local cops would come in every week to check the register and despair at some of the people that now had semi automatic rifles, ex-military gear and shotguns. I got shot at in a carpark in a shopping centre because a guy didn't understand that sub-sonic ammo didn't mean totally silent and wanted a refund that I couldn't give him because he had used half the pack.

I still have nightmares about what some of the guns I sold were used for. Let us never go back to that!

Anyone who has been to the states or Canada will know what they think of our laws, but it is the only thing that little Johnny did that I will always give credit for. It is a very divisive issue, but you have to err on the side of caution.

[Binder]

Tomca, I never new that about security guards being allowed to be incognito so to speak in the crowd and armed.

Do you think the crims (often being just boofheads with a stupid idea) would know?

Old Scaley, you didn't have to do any of that to buy guns off Amart. And I bought a few of them in the early 80's, usually ex military, and usually with a 1000 rounds of ex military ammo to go with it.

You just rang them up, transferred the money, and they delivered it to the nearest railway station for you to pick up. Only reason you gave them a name was so they could write in on the package. Qld Rail staff never asked for ID to pick it up, they didn't even know what it was.

[tomca]

crims know Andrew.

Its right there in the magic of Google or even any training providers advertising material.

and a bit of an insight into a crims mentality. Anyone remember the leb shot and killed by guards in Sydney? His mates wanted a head on a stick for killing their mate.

/>http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=231512

[Gary_C]

His mates wanted a head on a stick for killing their mate.

/>http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=231512

/>http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/leftfordead-suspect-identified/2008/08/20/1218911777040.html

Officials from the hospital dispute that assertion, but I wasn't there.

To each their own on the subject. I left mine with my family when I moved here and don't have any plans to try bringing them over.

[Jords]

I still don't get where this argument gets it's credibility - you're right, guns don't kill people, guns allow people to more easily kill people. Never seen someone kill multiple people in a crown with a blade....

That said, we still have (albeit basic) laws controlling the sale/carrying of blades in Australia.

I find Americas gun control (or lack of) ludicrous, definitely think QLD/Aus is more on the ball there. Handled and used firearms, but still believe they have no place in the home unless the owner is properly trained. I'm sure there are cases of people who have been denied gun ownership wrongly, and some that have been given firearms that shouldn't have (like that crazy SoB Tomca), but on the whole can only see it is a good thing.

[rayke1938]

Early 80's was the beginning of gun control laws prior to that you could just go in to k mart buy a gun without even providing id go out into the car park and shoot yourself.

Happened to a workmate in very tragic circumstances.

A life needlessly lost and family destroyed.

Cheers

Ray

[old mate]

Common sense in the media

/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-xipK-cfZA

[Keen-as-fisho]

As long as Background checks are done everything should be okay, and all the waiting periods on licence and Permits to acquire stay in place there should be no harm in Qld.

There is also a rule that anyone with a criminal record of within 5 years can not apply for a firearms licence.

I am still yet to here of Peoples safe's being checked like I was told it would in the first few months

Had mine checked two years ago and at the time the cop said they just have a list of suburbs and just work down the list for 'random' checks.