What is this little guy???

[havarest]

Did not even know i had it on.... Just as i wound up there he was any ideas??? [img size=400]http://www.australianfishing.com.au/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/12082007-c99665b54ce7ffac754fb5fe0d43cebd.jpg

[MichaelJ]

i cant see anythin there sorry

[Oztrav]

a red scaled rat rooter

[MichaelJ]

it just came up then when it went bak into it it looks sorta like a scorpian cod except its more long so i dono wot it is

[jeff f]

dont know what it's real name is but i've heard them called butchers dicks

[Feral]

Is that coz their slippery Jeff

[havarest]

ha ha ha some good names comin through... any ideas if it is dangerous to touch or watever??? cause i got three fingers missing... na just jk...but just for future incase there are bigger ones

[Cowfish13]

It is either a Bar-faced Grubfish, or some other type of Grubfish. Only get to around 34cm.

We get a few different types and we just call them all Grubfish.

[werewolf]

Scaly-cheeked Lizardfish

BAM

[dhess]

Where was it caught?

I caught one recently at the barwon banks. I am pretty sure it was a grinner of some sort. Identical head and teeth.

Used it as bait and got nailed by a nice snapper.:woohoo:

[havarest]

caught it at peel wish i kept it then would of been good to use as bait...bummer well here is another pic [img size=400]http://www.australianfishing.com.au/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/120820078.jpg

[Cowfish13]

It is definately a Bar-Faced Grubfish. Only grow to around 34cm and we get a lot in the bay.

[werewolf]

EDIT: hmmm Cowfish I think thats closer than my first guess. I'm tending towards a Sergeant Baker now though... The pics of both in my copy of Grant's aren't super similiar to either though:(

[MichaelJ]

dhess its not a grinner

[dhess]

Your right. Looks totally different from that angle.

The fish I caught was definitely some sort of grinner and had similar colouration.

[havarest]

cowfish... alot in the bay?? wat do you catch them on?? are the a pest of a fish or something you can use as said before like bait or something???

[Cowfish13]

They hang around the same sort of area as Winter Whiting (in general, but we have caught them on reef). So when we target them, we get a few. Especially around Peel Island on the reefs and sand adjacent to reefs. We just let them go.

[havarest]

Thanks all top stuff... and i say i will be doin the same thing cowfish just sending them back on there way

[Mick]

That would be a Sargent Baker aulopus_purpurissatus
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/>http://www.amonline.net.au/fishes/fishfacts/fish/apurpur.htm

I got one just over 60 cm once on a charter off Port Stevens.

[havarest]

did you eat it mick?

[Mick]

No the charter skipper kept it for fertilser for his veggie patch... I was going to throw it back.... I was in Newcastle for work so i had no way of keeping or cooking fish so i gave all i got away to others on the boat...

[Cowfish13]

Sorry to disagree, but that fish doesn't have the prodominant dorsal fin and rays as the Sergent Bakers do.

Also, I have caught alot of Grubfish around Peel Island. When I get the chance to, I will photograph the Grubfish in my book and put them up. Won't be for a while as I have a few assignments I have to do and exams are coming up, but I will eventually put them up.

If you ever do catch a Sergant Baker, they are aparantly a firm eating fish, but they have no flavour.

[Cowfish13]

Ok, not the same species that you caught, but this is what a grubfish looks like. Yours was just a different type http://www.scuba-equipment-usa.com/marine/APR04/Spotted_Grubfish(Parapercis_ramsayi).html

Same body shape though

Post edited by: Cowfish13, at: 2007/08/20 21:31

[havarest]

I love this site there is so much information people have especially for a beginner like me and its always good learning when reading posts or asking questions on here, thanks

[havarest]

By the way cowfish it does look like that grubfish.... cant wait to catch more crazy fish...(even though cant eat the bloody things)

[Mack_attack]

here's another pic of a grubfish [img size=381]http://www.australianfishing.com.au/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/aa.jpg

[ellicat]

After reading all the posts and considering all the ideas I'm happy to let you know that it is a sergeant butcher-bakers dickgrub:blink:

Post edited by: ellicat, at: 2007/08/20 08:05

[Mick]

I posted this last night but ...it's Gooone..

I still believe that it is a Sargent Baker (SB). The eyes on a Grubfish look very different.

The Grub fish has a single pectoral fin where the SB has two fins (pelvic and pectoral)

The Grub has a very long anal fin, the SB does not..

I enjoy looking up different fish... keep them coming, nothing better than a robust discussion...

[Mick]

havarest wrote:

caught it at peel wish i kept it then would of been good to use as bait...bummer well here is another pic [img size=400]http://www.australianfishing.com.au/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/120820078.jpg

This was going to be released but was unfortunatley killed by when a large canonball fell on its head.

[Oceandonkey]

AHAAHAHAHAAHH @ elli

[jeff f]

benn doing some hunting and came up with the name weever, commonly known as a rock whiting, the family includes the grub fish

great eating

[Gazza]

Looks like a PITTA pain in the $#35

[werewolf]

That's spot on Mack Attack! What variety of grubfish is it?

I've attached one I caught a few years back. Note ID points like that interesting front dorsal and general fin shape. Definately the right family, if not variety.

[img size=448]http://www.australianfishing.com.au/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/000_1061_small.JPG

Post edited by: werewolf, at: 2007/08/20 19:13

[Mick]

werewolf wrote:

That's spot on Mack Attack! What variety of grubfish is it?

I've attached one I caught a few years back. Note ID points like that interesting front dorsal and general fin shape. Definately the right family, if not variety.

[img size=448]http://www.australianfishing.com.au/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/000_1061_small.JPG<br><br>Post edited by: werewolf, at: 2007/08/20 19:13

Thats a verigated lizard fish.. they are all in the same family .. grinners sargent bakers grubfish....

[Mack_attack]

hey werewolf thanks for the support, your pic really shows the little front dorsal fin that is black and little white spines.

According to wild guide to moreton bay, a queensland museum publication (noosa to the tweed).

Family: Pinguipedidae

Name: Bar-faced grubfish

size: to 34cm

Habitat: bottom dwelling,in pairs or small groups on sandy or rubbly bottoms near reefs often taken with winter whiting

Latin Name: Parapercis nebulosus

Sorry mick but werewolfs pic is absolutely identical to the one in this book and as the most obvious feature is that little black dorsal fin. the variegated lizardfish has the very large jaws of a grinner with different colourations

Post edited by: Mack_attack, at: 2007/08/20 21:14

[Mack_attack]

heres a pic of a simarly coloured lizardfish

Post edited by: Mack_attack, at: 2007/08/20 21:18

[havarest]

this is magic i never thought i could get so much out of a post. I thought i would be made a fool of posting a fish which might have been common but instead getting a bit of history. All great stuff guys and i even love the humour keep that coming,

ps.by the way he did make it back to the water but yes probably with a lump..but then again chicks dig scars so thats one lucky fish(refering to cannonball)

[Mack_attack]

A Variegated Lizard fish. Same colouring as the grubfish, but it looks more like a grinner than a grubfish does. [img size=500]http://www.australianfishing.com.au/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/images/lizardfish_AFO.jpg

[Cowfish13]

For the record, Families are as follows:

Sergant Baker: Aulopidae

Lizardfish: Synodontidae

Grinners: Harpadontidae

And Grubfish are as above

As you can see, they are all from different families.

[Mick]

I am sorry I wasnt clear enough.. They are the same type not the same family ..my bad..

Lizard fish, Grinners and Sargent Bakers are all in the lizard fish family.

Grub fish have their own family.

Lizardfishes

Clearfin Lizardfish Synodus dermatogenys

Javelinfish Synodus jaculum

Painted Lizardfish Trachinocephalus myops

Sergeant Baker Aulopus purpurissatus

Slender Grinner Saurida gracilis

Variegated Lizardfish Synodus variegatus

Grubfishes and Weavers

Barred Grubfish Parapercis allporti

Blacktail Grubfish Parapercis queenslandica

Latticed Grubfish Parapercis clathrata

Lyretail Grubfish Parapercis schauinslandii

Pink-banded Grubfish Parapercis nebulosa

Spotted Grubfish Parapercis ramsayi

Wavy Grubfish Parapercis haackei

White-streaked Grubfish Parapercis stricticeps

I ask again what depth was it caught in and how long was the fish..