how do you know if a reel is suitable for braid?

[Feral]

How do you know a reel is suitable for braid?

In eggbeaters I have heard that it is the roller on the bail arm that is the deciding factor, but as reels dont come with little \"made for braid\" tags, how do you know if a given reel is ok for braid?

[Brian D]

How do you know a reel is suitable for braid?

Ask Troy!

Post edited by: Brian D, at: 2006/10/06 08:15

[Angus]

Hahaha. So true Brian.

Andrew i wasnt sure there were unsuitable ones :S

I thought it was jsut whether or not you wanted braid or not?

Angus

[blue_mako]

It all depends really. You can stick braid on any reel it's just some will suffer from a lot more wind knots with cheaper reels. Meaning you loose a lot of braid. If the braid is reeled on loose that's when your at risk of tangles. That's why a good roller bearing helps. Roller bearings help put tension on the line between the bail arm and the spool making a tighter wind.

Also smaller a reel will suffer from more wind knots then lager ones since line is peeling off much quicker on the smaller spool. Also is good to have a slower oscillation speed (Which is the speed the spool goes up and down on spinning reels). That helps keep the line spooled nice and evenly. Faster oscillation speeds will bunch up the line on the spool more. Daiwa have a system that spools more line on the top of the spool then on the bottom. This helps casting a lot easier and further.

I think that's all it really relies on. But yes some rods and reels are now being designed for braid specifically.

Troy

[Cowfish13]

I didn't know that you couldn't put braid on some reels, but you do have to check if it's alright to use braid with some rods. The line can cut into the guides, but it usually says on the rod

[Gerty_92]

what is braid actually made out of?? and whats the advantage of having it??

[Brian D]

Told you Feral - I was being a smart ass and serious at the same time - Troy seams to know his stuff.

[Cowfish13]

Gerty_92 wrote:

what is braid actually made out of?? and whats the advantage of having it??

Braid is made out of Dyneema i think. It's kinda like cotton and is incredibly strong for its diameter.

If you wanted to have 20lb mono, the diameter would be something like 0.35-40mm. If it was 20lb braid, it would be like 0.18mm. That means that you can put a lot more of it onto your spool.

Also, braid has near zero stretch. Meaning you can put a lot more action on your lures and if a fish takes your lure, you can set the hook easily. Mono stretches like 10% or something so if you in deep water and a fish takes your bait(when your using mono) it can take you down to the reef without taking any drag. So you hav no hope of landing a big cod or snapper or something.

Also, if your using braid, rocks and the like can't cut through it as easily as when your using mono.

But Braid is like 3 times more expensive that mono, so its your choice.

[toxic avenger]

Some mono lines can stretch up to 30% eg: you are fishing at deep tempest north east of Moreton Island the depth in that area can vary anywhere between 80 to 120m deep. Your fishing a bottom bashing rig in 100m of water with a belly in the line from current/drift etc. When a fish hooks up you can feel aome extra weight on your line and you reef up your rod to set the hook and then start winding in wondering the whole way whether or not you have caught a fish. If you do hook a good fish that puts alot of preassure on your line with a strong fight in 100m of water 30% stretch on the line is equal to 30m the fish can use to rub you off on the bottom. Same scenario with a braided line-: you need less lead to reach the bottom because the reduced line diameter has less drag in the water, you feel the bites not just the weight of a fish. You can feel every tail beat and head shake of a fighting fish transmitted through the line and the rod tip. And with a near zero stretch factor you have alot more control over the fish that you have worked so hard to hook. It is like fishing for whiting out there with a braided line.

Disadvatages:

You have to learn some new knots (maybe) because braids are very slippery some of the older style knots can pull straight thru.

Braids can give you a very nasty cut if you get your hands near line that is under tension. never take a wrap around your hands or fingers etc, this can also cause damage to cheap guides on rods.

Near zero stretch can be bad also because you can literally rip the hooks out of the mouth of fish. this can be counteracted by using a small length of mono as a shock absorber using the stretch in this product to your advantage.

Hope this helps

Cheers Kev

Sorry feral completely off topic to your original post I know, but I didn't know about reels that weren't compatible with braids. But if you buy a quality reel you should be able to use it with braid or mono

[ando_04]

i chould of told you all that, plus more. But you didnt ask hahahahahah

[Gerty_92]

Thanks cowfish for the information

[Brian D]

ando_04 wrote:

i chould of told you all that, plus more. But you didnt ask hahahahahah

Haha Yeap - you could have!

[blue_mako]

Like Cowfish wrote. Spectra or Dyneema braid is made from Dyneema fibres/strands. Usually made from 3 strands. That gives it the name of braid. (I.E. Braiding someone's hair). The new Daiwa Censor braid is made from 8 strands making it far stronger, thinner and more complicated then the rest and way more abrasion resistant.

Fused braid is a whole different story consisting of layers rather then fibers. The outer layer is for abrasion resistence and inner is for strength and sensitivity. Fused is usually thicker then Spectra though it's usually cheaper.

Troy

[Feral]

So fella's if I want \"thin\" and dont give a toss about abrasion, just want strength, what is the braid that would suit me? Dont want anything over 0.20 diameter, would prefer 0.15 or thinner.

[blue_mako]

What reel is it going on Feral?

troy