queensland First bass from NPD

[bmxdirtjumpa]

Well 2 weekends ago i went and bought myself a spinnerbait and thought i would give npd a crack along with a few other lures. So anyway i got there rigged up and first cast saw my brand new lure go a lot further then expected...not attached to the line!!

Cut my losses and tried a few other lures with no luck. Then got my mate to dig for earthworms managed to find 3 haha. so it was getting on dark and cast out and earthworm and bang! i was on! got him right to the edge and snapped the line, oh well. Threw another out and pulled in my first bass soon after, no luck with the last worm haha anyway pictures went about 33

[bmxdirtjumpa]

[Little Grey Men]

Way to go dirtjumpa...the first of many I hope.

What kind of knot did you tie the spinnerbait with ?

[bmxdirtjumpa]

had it tied on with a loop knot but it was my 4 pound leader that just snapped for no apparent reason

[chris_stewart14]

Up your leader... spinners are heavy to cast.. I've lost slugs that way too by not using heavy enough leader.

[tugger]

Its allways good to get a cracking fish from a new spot well done

[Terry H]

BMX, Depending on your spinner bait I would advise against a loop knot. They really don't offer any benefit to a spinner bait. Afterall, the only action is the skirt being pulled through/stopped in the water, and the blades.

Some spinnerbaits have a closed 'tow point' others have an open, in whic you just tie the knot directly on.

[bmxdirtjumpa]

thanks for the help, will definitely have some heavier leader next time...but now that i think a bit harder it had an open 'tow point' and I think i used a snap swivel not a loop knot

[Terry H]

yea just tie the spinnerbait directly to the line with a fixed terminal knot.

Definitely go heavier leader, 12-15lbs is good for NPD

[Little Grey Men]

A really simple but strong knot for spinners is the Palomar. Google it. Simple as and tough as old nails.

[Terry H]

I'll have to refresh my memory. But I thought Palomar was actually a rather poor knot. Just that it scored a "good" breaking strain in Fireline as an example, due to the fact that the real breaking strain is so much higher than rated.

Could be completely wrong Will check when I get home*

*If I remember

[nadders]

i thought palomar knot was pretty much the closest to 100% terminal knot there is

[Terry H]

Some tests I have seen are very varied. From 40%-108%.

Now, how the hell you get 108% breaking strain in a knot, is beyond me...

I'll check out ol' Geoff Wilsons book and DVD when I get home:)

[nadders]

yeah im not so sure on it the only times ive had good palomar knots have been in braid, my palomar knots in mono are garbage and break pretty easy. i must be terrible at tying them though

[Terry H]

Lol.

Funnily enough, on this site that tested them, it said a pre-test line got 101% breaking strain with the palomar. and that braid was at the 40-70%. Lol

Like I said, I'll check GWs book when I get home. I have a little more faith in those results

[Nog]

What the hell is wrong with a locked blood knot?

[chris_stewart14]

Im with you nog... The original and the best... If Im tying lures it's either a blood or a loop, nothing but.

[nadders]

umm nothing lol

[Little Grey Men]

I use the palomar in 12lb FC Rock. Ties pretty well. When tossing meatal slugs in the winter at North Pine I lose a lot less lures on the snags if I use this knot......I've tested a few and this one works for me.

Hey dirtjumpa don't forget to add a stinger to your spinnerbaits with a plastic attched for a little extra something for the bass !!!

[fenelious]

Forgive my ignorance - What's a Stinger LGM?

[Terry H]

stinger is a stinger hook. It's a hook that goes over the normal hook (in this case in a spinnerbait). Essentially its along the lines of a gang hook.

Triple Palomar Knot:

Geoff Wilsons Book

When tied in Berkley Fireline this knot retained 217% of the manufacturers breaking strain (86% of the actual breaking strain). When tied in 30lbs Spiderwire, this knot broke at 25.3 pounds (11.49 kg), 85% of the manufacturers breaking strain (74.5% of the probable actual breaking strain).

[werewolf]

Terry H wrote:

Now, how the hell you get 108% breaking strain in a knot, is beyond me...

You said it before mate, the real breaking strain is often higher (by a big margin) with some braids. Fireline in particular breaks very high. I often used the palomar in Fireline and haven't had a failure. Never tried it in mono for some reason...

[Feral]

Stinger is a second hook hung on the back of the spinnerbait hook so it is either just behind or right at the back of the skirt.

Had a look at the dam yesterday, the grass at the waters edge seams a lot thinner than earlier in the year (and lower water), I still would not use less than 10lb leader if you dont want to lose lures to the sunken shrubbery!

[Terry H]

sorry - not sure about the 108%, but the 101% in the report was definitely in a PRE-TEST line.

I really should have mentioned that It was all pre-test mono lol.

[werewolf]

assuming that is 101% of the pre-test value, ummm, dodgy cal on their scales maybe

[Terry H]

Thats why I said I wasn't sure about their results:P

[Little Grey Men]

Feral wrote:

Stinger is a second hook hung on the back of the spinnerbait hook so it is either just behind or right at the back of the skirt.

Had a look at the dam yesterday, the grass at the waters edge seams a lot thinner than earlier in the year (and lower water), I still would not use less than 10lb leader if you dont want to lose lures to the sunken shrubbery!

he he he...I'm using 20lb leader and 15lb main line in certain spots. I've come across some super snags out there and was busted off twice using 12lb leader a few weeks back.

Basically a submerged tree where some big girls like to hang out and pinch lures!!!

I love bass !!!

[chris_stewart14]

Hahaha - wow thats impressive! Obviously Bass aren't aren't put off by heavier leader.

[Terry H]

LGM: Sure it was a bass?

[Little Grey Men]

Never 100% sure. My mate was standing next to me in chest deep water. The tree is about three metres from us about a foot under water. We pulled a good number of fish from it.

Locked drags and pull the fish away from the snag as quick as you can. I was actaully having a chat to him when one hit and pulled the rod tip right down to the water. It really took me by surprise. Pulled the drag off really fast and then it was around the tree. Cod don't move that fast. Good for a giggle but when it happens the bite always shuts down. I was using mask vibes and swam to find it. The bass usually don't like it when I swim towards them :laugh: I reckon I've hooked one cod in there. Didn't feel like a bass and I felt the tail pumps through the braid. Short run and it spat the hooks.

When I got the lure back there were little tiny scales on the trebles..perhaps from the fishes cheek. Cod...perhaps !