Enoughs Enough!!!

[kiwifisho]

Concour.

just another white bucket...this is where this site and others are bad for the fish we love..its a shame

[fishingnut]

Agreed, hence my totall lack of bass reports

[Homer4duff]

Guys, Moses has been smashed now for 10 pages so perhaps we can stick to new evidence and let the abuse rest a while.

It's getting a little bit nasty.

Pursue this as far as required but lets keep it civil eh :-)

[kiwifisho]

Agreed, hence my totall lack of bass reports

Totally agree with u Mate.

Kiwi

[dansike]

All done, the dude's been deservedly fried. He'd be too scared to go fishing now anyway. Lock it mods. I've read enough.

[taib]

The shop is Called MON'S Seafood in inala. The people who work in there are pricks, especially the rude girl in there. I have bought some fish in here in the past but will never again now i know they do this shIt.

I have heard rumours that they also sell female crabs... but not entirely sure if its true, but rumors dont really start up for no reason.

Im also vietnamese but im so PISSED off with my own race right now! Coming from a legal background, i say burn in hell to all the crims.

[robin]

Guys i think you are going a bit overboard with whats happening. What you guys are doing is pretty much cyber bullying, these stuff leads to suicide! So i think you guys should think twice before what you write or post up.

Yes, I know he did wrong. I'm sure he has learn't his lesson. This kid looks young late teens, ppl do things they shouldn't be doing, i'm sure that most of the ppl on this forum has done something bad/wrong in their life. Give this kid a break (not break his bones)!

I agree with you there, bullying like he did with the fish, suicide is a bad things, but he did kill more fish and alot of undersize fish, Im not a vegi and im probley one of the biggest meat eaters around, but i dont believe in killing what Im not going to eat of feed my family.

This is also not cyber bullying as he has a choise to answer or not to read this, its not going direct to him, as far as im concerned, he is a scared little twitt and he probley pissed his pants.

I think that he should be sent into the middle of aus and be made to walk back, if he comes back alive then great, if not then justice, however that would bring us down to his stupid level.

Take pics of when you see him, make him know what he has done, dont leave him alone untill he has learnt his lesson, but no phyical contact, make the fisheries know about what he is doing and when, so they can have no reason not to do there job.

[Woodlaz]

All done, the dude's been deservedly fried. He'd be too scared to go fishing now anyway. Lock it mods. I've read enough.

LOL, are u serious???? The wan**r was fined .... not 2 nights later he was back at it same spot.

[fishingnut]

For those who bleat the lock it now ? Why ? It's a clear case of doing the wrong thing and acting as WBB we can all learn from this if u don't like it don't bloody read it !! I don't like tennis but don't whine about to channel 7 I watch sometime else! Can't cop this "lock it now mods" call

[Runty66]

lol

[madmullet]

Omfg, i have been off line for all of 4 days and first story i come back to is this. Words cannot describe what i am thinking rite now. When i get back from camping i will read this post from page to page.

But in short, uterly descusted

[Bommie]

I am disappointed by his actions and feel cheated as a AFO member. I think the apology took some guts and for a young person today was pretty good. At the end of the day we will see where he goes from here but you need to give him a chance to make right. I did some things when I was a young person that where not thought through properly that is part of being young. Hopefully he has learnt his lesson.

I think sending hate email, text and phone calls is a little over the top. Not that I think he is that fragile I would not want out community to have bad press with another young person doing something silly. Give the kid a chance now. I agree it is important that we find out the business as I guarantee Moses is not the only one selling to them. There is good reason why this sort of thing is control, these fish would not have gone on ice when caught and if this business continues someone is going to get a good case of food poisoning.

Ted, he has not learn't his lesson, and it was not an apology, don't be fooled, how many chances does he get, 2 5 10 ?

[Bommie]

All done, the dude's been deservedly fried. He'd be too scared to go fishing now anyway. Lock it mods. I've read enough.

he's laughing at all of us

[dansike]

For those who bleat the lock it now ? Why ? It's a clear case of doing the wrong thing and acting as WBB we can all learn from this if u don't like it don't bloody read it !! I don't like tennis but don't whine about to channel 7 I watch sometime else! Can't cop this "lock it now mods" shit

Moses did a very bad thing, and I don't believe the fine fits the crime. . Anyway I see your point, I couldn't believe the pics either, but it shouldn't get everyone all fired up. These people are out there taking our fish, and as sad as that is, its a fact. This should serve as a warning for us all to be extra observant on what other people are up to. I have read AFO for enjoyment for many years, and I've never seen this kind of response. A response which makes me proud to be a member. Such a united front!! Ob viously these responses HAD to happen for such a "slaying" of undersize Jew!!!!! But after 11 pages worth, I think we've said about all there is to say. Now lets get back to fishing...go away rain!!

[Gad]

I had to turn the sound down in case the next doors thought I was watching porn

Kiwi

Cheers ellicat... another half hour and I`ll go watch a couple of chicks hitting some balls around :pinch: :woohoo:

If/when you sanitise my post, would you do the top of my screen too

Just remember to have the sound turned down so u don't have to make your ears bleed with Sharapova's screeching. Boy that really spoils the tennis for me. Game starting now. :woohoo:

I like the ones that squeal :silly:

at least we`ll have better dreams tonight than MosesNguyen,come to think of it, I`ve never liked heights :pinch:

[Surfingant]

I had to turn the sound down in case the next doors thought I was watching porn

Kiwi

Cheers ellicat... another half hour and I`ll go watch a couple of chicks hitting some balls around :pinch: :woohoo:

If/when you sanitise my post, would you do the top of my screen too

Just remember to have the sound turned down so u don't have to make your ears bleed with Sharapova's screeching. Boy that really spoils the tennis for me. Game starting now. :woohoo:

I like the ones that squeal :silly:

at least we`ll have better dreams tonight than MosesNguyen,come to think of it, I`ve never liked heights :pinch:

Ooh harsh :pinch:

[Woodlaz]

Moses hasnt learn't a dam thing.

Trying to say "all has been said - lets get on with things" (lock the thread) etc etc is not the right attitude. It took 9 pages of reasonable comments before another lie was told. The offender/s will say what they can to shut us up as to stop the attention they deserve.

I posted a pic that I have been holding on to since this thread started and finally got the balls to post it (legally wise). We all know this shit has been happening for years (everywhere) but we never had photos to back it up or if we had the photo's, we have been worried of the ramifications (legally & physically)

There has been 14k + views of this thread, the more noise about it the better, maybe we can change something NOW - hopefully my grandkids will be able to catch a decent fish in 20 years time, however, I fear they won't unless this crap is stopped before it is too late.

Just the tip of the iceberg... but it's a start

[Gary_C]

I reckon Moses has probably been flogged on enough for the moment. He either will make some changes or won't (reading the backpedaling responses thus far leads me to believe he won't, but I've been wrong before).

My thought is that we target the fish shop that was purchasing illegally. Picket signs, demonstration, etc. right in front of their door; in a publicly owned and legal space of course and in all accordance of the law.

I'm willing to bet that either Moses (and/or his dad) are friends with or connected in some other way to the people running the dodgy seafood shop. Let him really cop some hatred from somebody close to him when they have to shut down their business because honest fisho's make enough of a nuisance that their customers would rather go elsewhere.

I'd probably be less angry about the whole selling your catch thing if he'd stayed within the legal sizes and bag limits; I still wouldn't be happy, but I could have forgiven it much sooner than this rape.

[dansike]

We all know this shit has been happening for years (everywhere) but we never had photos to back it up or if we had the photo's, we have been worried of the ramifications (legally & physically)

I agree 100% that all people involved should be tracked down and dealt with. It was wrong in so many ways. Also agree its been happening for years and must stop. I can see your point about keeping the thread open, a lot of people are becoming aware so that can't be bad. I'm not sure what else can be said now, theres no point staying angry though. By all means we should have a bad taste about it, but I guess we'll just have to hope the authorities do the right thing and follow it up. With all the evidence it shouldn't be too hard.

[haines490slc]

I reckon Moses has probably been flogged on enough for the moment. He either will make some changes or won't (reading the backpedaling responses thus far leads me to believe he won't, but I've been wrong before).

My thought is that we target the fish shop that was purchasing illegally. Picket signs, demonstration, etc. right in front of their door; in a publicly owned and legal space of course and in all accordance of the law.

I'm willing to bet that either Moses (and/or his dad) are friends with or connected in some other way to the people running the dodgy seafood shop. Let him really cop some hatred from somebody close to him when they have to shut down their business because honest fisho's make enough of a nuisance that their customers would rather go elsewhere.

I'd probably be less angry about the whole selling your catch thing if he'd stayed within the legal sizes and bag limits; I still wouldn't be happy, but I could have forgiven it much sooner than this rape.

yup I am with you Gary, how about once we find out what shop it is we organise a AFO picket line or alike, totally non violent, informing people of what these so called "fish traders" are up to?

[ONTHECHEW]

Guys in no way do I agree with what moses has done or what his father has done or the shop has done but suggesting some one should go kill them self over this matter is going to far. It is now a criminal conviction for bullying including cyber bullying which can be handed large jail times, I think a few people need to calm down a little and let the authorities deal with any illegal actions before any members or the site itself is involved in one itself. If anyone has any further information or photos etc they should being giving it to the correct authorities rather than stocking the fire.

Last thing fishing needs is bad press, enough is against the sport as it is, this post needed to be shut done a while ago it is getting out of control. If people believe his apology or not, if you believe the punishment fits the crime or not this is not the way to go about it.

Andrew

[Woodlaz]

He knew what he was doing, he deserves all he gets - it wasn't a mistake - he knew what he was doing.

But yes, we now have to concentrate on the shop. It's kind of opposite to drugs, dont go for the supplier, go for the buyer If these shops didn't buy fish illegally then (deleted)ers like Moses wouldn't try to supply.

[woody1]

Awesome work to everyone involved in the sting, if this kid hasn't learnt his lesson by now, he never will. Cops always say they only catch the dumb ones, I am sure that saying will ring true when he moves onto his next con, if you ask me theres plenty more to come from that crooked smile.

I think its time to leave the kid alone, natural selection will take care of him. The good news is, there is proof of a fish shop selling illegally caught fish, taking them down could do a whole lot more good than bullying one money strapped, c2000 driving, jobless, skate shop owning, apologetic, crooked smiling crim.

Does anyone else have evidence of this shop buying from the WBB?

[Woodlaz]

(inappropriate post being quoted has been deleted)

Guys in no way do I agree with what moses has done or what his father has done or the shop has done but suggesting some one should go kill them self over this matter is going to far. It is now a criminal conviction for bullying including cyber bullying which can be handed large jail times, I think a few people need to calm down a little and let the authorities deal with any illegal actions before any members or the site itself is involved in one itself. If anyone has any further information or photos etc they should being giving it to the correct authorities rather than stocking the fire.

Last thing fishing needs is bad press, enough is against the sport as it is, this post needed to be shut done a while ago it is getting out of control. If people believe his apology or not, if you believe the punishment fits the crime or not this is not the way to go about it.

Andrew

Ummm, I know for a fact I have not cyber bullied. I have stated facts and general opinion and so have most of the others. I have not once threatened, not sure if anyone else has either (they may have suggested stuff). If Moses says he is gettin threatened via txt or youtube or facebook or email - do u really believe him? (after the poo poo he has said already)??? and If it is happening (which I doubt) then it has nothing to do with this site. Also - as Ellicat stated a few pages ago - It is not "bullying" (which is preying on the weak without reason).

[haines490slc]

....blah blah blah (not meant to be derogatory to what was said, just easier for moderating purposes).....

Andrew

not having a go at you mate, but check the definition of cyber bullying, no one here has done it

[hulk]

I said earlier about going to mags and not a current affair etc but now my opinion has changed.I think it could be a good idea to get them involved now you have a photo of the product in the store. All they would need to do is stake it out, identify the worker in the store and get that closed down with headlines being"Inala Seafood Shop Encourages and Profits from Illegal fishing Activities". I think it could be positive reflection on fishing community if this was to get some air time because of the stance that has been taken and the ire that has risen from this persons actions

[jgarner447]

Well done shane, there is always 1 anus that ruins fishing for the rest of us, moses you should be locked up for doing this, i cant beleive you actually went and sold fish then took a photo of yourself commiting an offence ....dumb much???? fingers crossed this shop gets shut down, heres hoping.....moses i hope i dont ever see you raping any of my fishing spots :evil: :evil: :evil:

Absolute TOOL !!!!!!!!!!

P.s i dont beleive you ever released any fish .... full of crap there mate, we can all hold a fish in the water with fish lip grips then chuck it in the esky.... total shame for you buddy....

[Runty66]

I understand & accept the fact I have done the wrong thing, & I will undoubtedly need to live with the consequences.

First of all I would like to make a sincere apology to every member on afo for my actions that have caused me to be in the situation I am in now; The Actions in which go against the fishing community & the Law in general. Especially to those members who were kind enough to exchange helpful information, invitations on fishing trips & fishing tips.

If given the chance I would like to explain my wrong doing.

First of all, During the time in which I wrote the BR madness reports, Although I was fishing from the Port side(other side) Myself & my mates did release all undersized fish. All my fishing mates where there & I did follow the rules as per normal. I even released a larger legal fish during one of the BR Madness reports, So please do not make the impression that I kept all undersized fish from day one.

Two days before the situation has occurred, I managed afew jewies with one of my mates & we let them go. The next night (night before the fine) I went out, I took him & two other mates & as we proceeded to catch out quota we managed 7 legal jewies before the smaller ones started to come on the bite. We decided to keep the legal fish & a mate decided he would throw a bbq on the weekend. The 8th fish that came up was 73cm & my mate wanted to keep it. Being his first fish & only 2cm off I shrugged it off & said “do what you wantâ€. I understand this fish was undersize, we then proceeded to land 5 more jewies all going over 70cm. 4 were landed by my mates which they decided to keep which I continued not to think about it.. I then managed 2 jews going around the 70mark & my mates kept hassling me saying I should keep the fish for the bbq on the weekend, I knew it wasn’t a good idea but I let them keep them.

Once we had left we then arrived home & I started dropping mates off, I told them, take the fish for the weekend, & he said nah, I don’t want em, we had an argument & I ended up with the fish..I arrived home & my dad got annoyed by the amount of fish I had brung home so he said, go sell them..not knowing if it was legal or not, my dad proceeded to sell them..When he arrived home with $250 from the fish I was stunned, thinking I should do this again, & make some money & save up for a new light setup.. without a job & being a uni student, money got the better of me, hence when I went out the night I got setup & got the fine.

I coped a $600 fine, my mate who wasn’t fishing also coped $600 which im paying for due to my money driven greed.

& another mate in a separate car who also coped a $200 fine.

I know I have done the wrong thing & I accept my wrong doing. I know I have broken the law, yet I couldn’t write a reply as I received so much hate mail, threatening txted & even a phone call from someone that stated they would find me & f**k me up..I know this is understandable * acceptable punishment considering im in the wrong but I today knew I had to write a response to all this.

I would like to point out details in which people have stated which are not true.

- Throughout all BR madness reports I did release all undersized fish when fishing with shane & other mates at no stage did I keep any, so do not accuse me of doing this from day one.

- Secondly, those txt msgs are NOT from me, they are from the other mate who was in the other car, THEY ARE NOT MY TXT MSG to shane.

- The caption for the first photo was a joke towards myself as I own a skateshop & made a joke saying I have now opened a seafood shop..

- The 3rd photo is not me.

- I have never have OR had the intention of selling fish

I don’t understand why you all have to threaten me. I have learnt a very pricey lesson considering I don’t have a job & uni to pay for. I know I have done wrong, & im not asking anyone to give a damn, I just wanted you all as afo members that I KNOW I have done wrong, I KNOW it was a stupid thing to do & I will surely not be doing such a careless stupid act again.

PS. could certain members stop pm’ing, txting & calling with hatered msgs you don’t need to hassle me, ive learnt my lesson, also to the few members who have been posting hate comments on my friends youtube channel, please STOP, don’t spam him, he doesn’t deserve it.

To all members of AFO, I am truly ashamed of my actions, I do not deserve to be a member of such a great community, & I know my actions have put shame on myself which I know I deserve.

if a moderator could please close my afo account I would want nothing more than to be left alone.

is he joking? does he think we were born yesterday? Yes it does takes guts to say sorry, but i highly doubt ^^ that is sorry.. sorry he got caught.. but not sorry for doing it one little bit.

[Bi_polar]

I am a little concerned that he was there fishing again after he got caught.

If the lesson you learn by getting caught is to return and do the same thing again but not get caught then that is a lesson i suppose??

[Homer4duff]

Is he fishing illegally or taking illegal fish bi polar, cause if he is simply fishing in the same spot but not keeping illegal fish then that can't be a problem right?

Edit: damn insomnia sucks!

[jeff f]

Awesome work to everyone involved in the sting, if this kid hasn't learnt his lesson by now, he never will. Cops always say they only catch the dumb ones, I am sure that saying will ring true when he moves onto his next con, if you ask me theres plenty more to come from that crooked smile.

I think its time to leave the kid alone, natural selection will take care of him. The good news is, there is proof of a fish shop selling illegally caught fish, taking them down could do a whole lot more good than bullying one money strapped, c2000 driving, jobless, skate shop owning, apologetic, crooked smiling crim.

Does anyone else have evidence of this shop buying from the WBB?

no hard evidence, but have seen fin clipped fish and under sized fish for sale in the fish markets at inala

[taib]

just incase if my post was missed.

The shop is called "MON'S SEAFOOD" located in inala civic plaza. Its next to the carpark near woollies.

Burn the friggin shop down. They also illegally dump their rubbish in the normal bins and not in the bins their suppose to. It constantly stinks.

[Bommie]

just incase if my post was missed.

The shop is called "MON'S SEAFOOD" located in inala civic plaza. Its next to the carpark near woollies.

Burn the friggin shop down. They also illegally dump their rubbish in the normal bins and not in the bins their suppose to. It constantly stinks.

I agree with you there, just walking past the place makes my stomach turn, going in and filming was a nightmare, (which was done months ago)

[Nitris]

Guys i think you are going a bit overboard with whats happening. What you guys are doing is pretty much cyber bullying, these stuff leads to suicide! So i think you guys should think twice before what you write or post up.

Yes, I know he did wrong. I'm sure he has learn't his lesson. This kid looks young late teens, ppl do things they shouldn't be doing, i'm sure that most of the ppl on this forum has done something bad/wrong in their life. Give this kid a break (not break his bones)!

looks like this user made an account and posted one post and deleted the account? weird

[fishingnut]

just incase if my post was missed.

The shop is called "MON'S SEAFOOD" located in inala civic plaza. Its next to the carpark near woollies.

Burn the friggin shop down. They also illegally dump their rubbish in the normal bins and not in the bins their suppose to. It constantly stinks.

I agree with you there, just walking past the place makes my stomach turn, going in and filming was a nightmare

Please do tell

[Bi_polar]

The seafood shop at Rocklea sells fin clipped and undersized fish too.

[Homer4duff]

Just to clarify the whole "Cyber Bullying" angle, when at least one Adult is involved it is called harrassment or Cyber stalking, although is technically the same. This is the old definition below which has now been redefined.

/>http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html

Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.

Despite claims otherwise, there is, by definition, some cyber bullying going on in this thread.

Current Definition

/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

Cyberbullying has subsequently been defined as "when the Internet, cell phones or other devices are used to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person".[2] Other researchers use similar language to describe the phenomenon.[3][4]

Cyberbullying can be as simple as continuing to send e-mail to someone who has said they want no further contact with the sender, but it may also include threats, sexual remarks, pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech), ganging up on victims by making them the subject of ridicule in forums, and posting false statements as fact aimed at humiliation.

Cyberbullies may disclose victims' personal data (e.g. real name, address, or workplace/schools) at websites or forums or may pose as the identity of a victim for the purpose of publishing material in their name that defames or ridicules them. Some cyber-bullies may also send threatening and harassing emails and instant messages to the victims, while other post rumors or gossip and instigate others to dislike and gang up on the target.

Even if some think it's deserved, I think we need to chillax for a bit :whistle:

I'm dopping by MONS today and talking video/pics of anything I see undersized (assuming it's open)

[ellicat]

Taib, Are you certain it is Mons ?

In the photo it looks like any seafood preparation or processing or distribution, or wholesaling place to me. It looks to me very much like a commercial premises I have been at and in before.

If you are basing it on the person Moses is with then I can tell you that, unless he has an identical twin, he works at a place at Morningside too.

I don't accept 100% that the photo is proof of an illegal sale either. It's certainly incriminating to both Moses and the store but as a standalone bit of evidence I wouldn't be concerned as the commercial business involved.

[Angus]

Hey guys. Wow what a thread.

I have taken my time piping in here as "my view" often gets interpreted as "AFO's View" which is not strictly the case at all. So please bare in mind the following in my opinion and not a consensus reached by all owners and admin...

I nearly locked this thread early on simply as I thought it had run its course. I did think that 3-4 more pages of "you are an idiot" or "watch out if I see you" was required. I stand firmly against the notion the vigilante action in reality although I completely understand peoples need to vent as I, like most of you was absolutely shocked at the images, not so much the revelation that this happens, but the fact that someone would so brazenly photograph it... From my point of view I personally think enough of the pointless comments and let the sitauation run its course. While I was also pretty unmoved by the apology, its been made lets leave this to the law. He is a known commodity know and stands little chance of duplicating his efforts, especially now the seafood store is also under scrutiny.

On that note...

While I understand the desire by many to "lock the thread" I must disagree. If we had locked it earlier the seafood shop pictures may not have surfaced and they seem to me something worthy of action (but the appropriate authorities). If that image, in addition to the culprit being caught and his publically made confession (through his apology), is not enough to do something about that store (fines, closing it down, investigating where else they get fish???), well I dont know what is! With this in mind something really good for the fishing community can be achieved here. I dont think we could ever stop the "white buckets" from fishing for personal needs. But maybe by removing the source of illegally generated income we could stop, at least a few, from bothering.

On another issue which is relevent to AFO politics and its racial demographics. We all know that "Asians" get a lot of flack for being one of the main ethnic groups involved in these practices. While this may be the case, I would like to point out the huge number of AFO members of Asian decent who jumped straight in to condemn this guy. Most of our members of Asian decent (and I fish with quite a few) and proactive and law abiding fishermen and in some cases (Do$tylz) more "Aussie" than me I know thats a tangent but I have seen these threads devolve and become racial in the past and just want to put things in perpective.

As for people taking this situation as a reason to be more lock mouthed about fishing... Thats a massive shame as it will kill communities like this. In my opinion we already have to many lurkers who must benefit some a few peoples hard earned efforts. I would encourage members to report as much as possible. If you are worried about locations use brag mat shots or photoless reports only. Talk about methods, techniques, gear, tides etc and not locations. If someone gives you a hard time for being tight lipped about "Spot X" ignore him and know that more people are enjoying your report than complaining. I saw two members remove their accounts after commenting on this thread in what I could only see as a "had enough of AFO" attitude. Having little hissy fits like this, based on the minorities actions really lets the bad apples win and ruins what we have. In saying this so does 100's of members lurking, poaching info and generally adding nothing to positive, friendly and cooperative nature of the site.

Anyway in short...

Let the authorities deal with this situation henceforth.

Don't be afraid to report illegal activity as it can actually make a difference!

Don't let a bad apple spoil the barrel.

Get active on the community. Members who actively contribute are always rewarded in tun anyway.

Cheers guys.

Angus

[ellicat]

OK I have now re-opened the thread but would like to remind members at this point that

AFO rules override anyone's view when it comes to the forum

AFO rules override anyone's desire to use bad language (spelt correctly or with substitute letters etc)

Keep the thread on topic

Behave and think about what you are adding to the thread before hitting SUBMIT