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GUN LAW ALERT

Sept 2011,

URGENT ACTION REQUIRED, FIREARM CONFISCATIONS AGAIN! YOUR SPORT IS AT RISK.

If we do nothing, Queensland will make law in Mid October 2011 banning centre fire rifles which have a built in magazine capacity of over 10 shots, pump actions, lever actions anything that can take 11 shots, will have to be handed in for NO compensation.

That means Model 1866 (Henry) Winchester, Model 1873 Winchesters, Model 1892 Winchester’s 1873, likewise Browning, Marlin, Remington, Rossi, Puma, Colt Lighting, Chiappa, Uberti, Henry, Timberwolf, and Remington Pumps, one in the chamber puts the rifles built in magazine capacity at 11 and if you have done the right thing and registered that rifle you will have to hand it in for no compensation.

There are many more sad, idiotic, sections of legislation in the Weapons Amendment Bill of 2011 WeaponsAmB11 which empowers the government to misuse its power, by stealing lawfully owned property from law abiding citizens.

Have no doubt about it, we who have experienced the way that legislation is interpreted by courts and police know that the government is the largest criminal organisation in Australia. It steals property and destroys its opponents, that is criminal.


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So in other words law abiding people will have to engineer there guns to take less rounds.

Not only that, this will increase the price of illegal guns, giving the criminals more incentive to smuggle illegal weapons to this country.

Well done Labor your criminal mates will make a fortune off the illegal gun trade. You must be proud to disarm law abiding citizens, who will now be the recipients of violence perpetrated by illegal gun holding criminals.

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I knew that was going to happen! It wont stop until the only people who have guns are the people that shouldnt have them and we'll be hunting with bows and spears that of courseneed to be registered.. But seriously, it wont be long until we have fishing permits in queenland and it also wont supprise me i yu wil need loacalised licening as well, like a 90 buck a year moreton bay pass or someting like that..

The government is so rediculusly out of touch with the people that vote them in that its comical!

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I can tell you that this will happen. In NSW years ago the same laws were passed I handed in semi auto rifles, Pump action shot guns and Pump action Browning 22, lever action 30-30. It was heart breaking.

Then with the few rifles I was left with the Gov made the storage laws almost impossible to comply with and the police had the right to knock on your door and request to see your firearm and ammo storage. I heard a story that a guys wife opened his gun safe for the police and they confiscated his guns because she should not have had access to the weapons.

This is the reason I no longer have a shooters licence even after winning an Aust championship in clay target shooting I was treated like a criminal for owning a firearm.

In NSW if you are involved in an altercation and have an assalt charge placed on you your firearms will be confiscated even befor you get to court.

If you have a bitter ex that tells the police you have threatened her weather you have or not they will take your guns until you prove your inocence.

Soon the only people who will be armed will be the criminal element of society and the law abiding citizens will pay the price for a Government that is trying to buy the prefrence votes from minority groups.

Just in case you couldn't tell this has hit a nerve I can't believe it is happening they don't have Martin Bryant to blame this time :evil: :evil:

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bloody hell. i just recently let my Concealable lic slip after 10yrs cause of the manditory shoots ect cause i didnt have time.... hay labour, ban knives, hammer, bats ect.... i aint doing anything wrong, why do i have to pay for it.....

I'm surprised nail guns are still legal :unsure: Before you know it we'll be building houses like back in the stone age.

This really does suck ass but, my .44 is a 10 shot lever action, I'd hate to see it go especially for nothing and NO reason, f.... labour, I DIDN"T VOTE FOR THE PRICKS

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simple we all have to stop at look at the law.. just cause government pass a law does not mean it will stand up in court. i can start qutoing law cause of the people against the government like we dont need to reg the car. you dont need lic to drive. you dont need to pay income tax. but the thing comes down to the people not standing up for what is right. its simple the governement is meet to work for us not the other way around mudmullet mate i feel for you i do. but why cant everyone turn around and say we have a right to arm our selfs. and if no one handed in any guns then wtf is the governement going to do lock up 3million people i think not or how every many people there might be . put it this way i seen first hand of what the police and the government try to do. my old man. use to do some things that well lets say would of got him lock up for life (brewing spirts) importing some drugs here and there. growing poppie seeds and few other things like this . we had the cops custom a a few other mobs around the joint and dad as clever as he is with the law and gun and everything else he qutoe some line here and there put up some sign out the front and now the cops custom noone has any right or can set foot on his land. sound like as if what every but can be done if you know and understand how all the law and the system works.... as soon as you sign that peace of paper for ya gun lic then you are waving your right to arm your self . blah blah blah.. rant ended all i say to anyone is look pasted what you have been told now and what someone has teaches you and open your mind to what is really going on

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For those of you who dont know me I was in the NSW Police and over the years have had an extensive background with automatic firearms from the army to Police. when the National Gun Buy Back scheme was on I was picked to work in the NSW Firemarms Buy Back and after a short while moved up and headed the admisistration of the Buy back for NSW, :evil: I was responsible for the collection Payments and destruction of all firearms collected and handed in by civillians and Firearms dealers and Firearms manafacturers. I can tell you without any hesitation that it was the biggest rort I have ever seen and know of millions of Taxpayers money rorted by the system, one particular case covered a Firearms Holder that supplied Firearms for all the Tv and movies in Australia. he handed in and was paid in excess of 4 million dollars :ohmy: and many of them should not have been a part of the buy back. Although hundreds of thousands or millions Nationally were handed in it has not made any difference to the Crime Stats Nationally or State. I dont know who suggesting this new scheme but it will be a farce, probably to take the heat out of other problems such as the carbon debate and the Immigration debate, next thing they will put on is the move to make Australia a Federation apart from England and the Queen. :dry:

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thanks mate for that info..every eye oping for a ex or maybe still a guy of the force to make such a statement... dont get me wrong i think the police have there time and place. some of me family and mate are in the police force. but when they waste time and tax payers money on things like you said is really sad .

wasnt the coppers wasting the money it was the system that was rushed in and when reported the govenment didnt want to do anything about it...it was easier to pay than make waves and let me tell you most of the dealers and manafacturers really went for the jugular and hit hard poor old taxpayer was dudded.

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As Scuba Seve said if everyone stood together and said no the Gov would have to listen you would think, But in the 90's when this happened in NSW there were hundeds of thousands of shooters that protested and lobbyed the Gov there were thousands of man hours spent by a lot of people, the trouble is in most cases the minority groups preference votes will outweigh the lost votes in an area so they go ahead regardless.

This topic will be a big one might have to move it to its own forum look what you have started Kurt

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Wrong Tugger, Howard was led by the nose by the states' police chiefs who used the Port Arthur killings as the excuse to remove more than military weapons that idiot used in Tas. This is an extention of the ALP and the Greens policies to relieve us licensed shooters from not possessing any firearms in due course.Their thug mates will still have plenty of illegals to use. Classic socialism.....VOTE THE SLOBS OUT. :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Wrong Tugger, Howard was led by the nose by the states' police chiefs who used the Port Arthur killings as the excuse to remove more than military weapons that idiot used in Tas. This is an extention of the ALP and the Greens policies to relieve us licensed shooters from not possessing any firearms in due course.Their thug mates will still have plenty of illegals to use. Classic socialism.....VOTE THE SLOBS OUT. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Couldn't agree more wally, the sooner we bugger labour off the better off the whole country will be.

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The good old gun debate brings back a lot of memories.

I lost a shit load of guns to that crap and for many of us it was very sad day when we lined up to watch our guns get crushed.

It all started in the early to mid 80's under labour's Barry Unsworth.

People power actually brought down the labour government in the 1988 election and the gun issue was contributed as the major downfall for labour's loss.

I still remember just about every telegraph pole in Albury and Wodonga and gumtrees every few km's along the Hume Highway with posters saying "Barry Unsworth Got His Gunsworth" after they were booted from government.

The buyback if I remember correctly happened under Howard in 2003-2004.

It was the Port Arthur massacre in about 1996 that all factions of government came together to tighten the gun laws and from there the buy back scam was born.

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for starters, you can have your firearm modified by a gunsmith to comply with new legislation if passed. Example: cut down the tube on a pump action rifle to hold fewer rounds.

More robberies occur with a piece of reo bar than firearms lately. And more again with hammers, knives, etc.

Even cash in transit and police are to be disarmed in the governmet wish list and only special police tactical units be armed. So when we fall into a civil war over the culture shift from this style of immigration that is occuring, there will be less involved to quashing the conflict. I am ready to be labelled a racist and out of touch, but at this point in time, still free to have an opinion

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I to lost a few of my favourite rifles and shotgun with the byback and was not happy when John Howard introduced the bill to federal parliment and the law was finally passed in the 90's

I'm guessing Barry Unsworth was a labor state member of govt ?

The good old gun debate brings back a lot of memories.

I lost a shit load of guns to that crap and for many of us it was very sad day when we lined up to watch our guns get crushed.

It all started in the early to mid 80's under labour's Barry Unsworth.

People power actually brought down the labour government in the 1988 election and the gun issue was contributed as the major downfall for labour's loss.

I still remember just about every telegraph pole in Albury and Wodonga and gumtrees every few km's along the Hume Highway with posters saying "Barry Unsworth Got His Gunsworth" after they were booted from government.

The buyback if I remember correctly happened under Howard in 2003-2004.

It was the Port Arthur massacre in about 1996 that all factions of government came together to tighten the gun laws and from there the buy back scam was born.

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I to lost a few of my favourite rifles and shotgun with the byback and was not happy when John Howard introduced the bill to federal parliment and the law was finally passed in the 90's

I'm guessing Barry Unsworth was a labor state member of govt ?

The good old gun debate brings back a lot of memories.

I lost a shit load of guns to that crap and for many of us it was very sad day when we lined up to watch our guns get crushed.

It all started in the early to mid 80's under labour's Barry Unsworth.

People power actually brought down the labour government in the 1988 election and the gun issue was contributed as the major downfall for labour's loss.

I still remember just about every telegraph pole in Albury and Wodonga and gumtrees every few km's along the Hume Highway with posters saying "Barry Unsworth Got His Gunsworth" after they were booted from government.

The buyback if I remember correctly happened under Howard in 2003-2004.

It was the Port Arthur massacre in about 1996 that all factions of government came together to tighten the gun laws and from there the buy back scam was born.

He was a labour guy and NSW premier for a short time.

It was those 2-3 years as NSW Premier that he started the gun debate.

I think he may have been a union leader before that as well but don't quote me on that one as its a very vague recollection.

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The last firearm byback was preformed by the liberal govt of the time with the bypartism support of the rest of the parliment so i dont think kicking labour over this 1 will help here as Johnie Howard is reincarnated as Tony Abbot

Right mark, but they were run by the State Governments they regulated the system and were responsible for the paying out and collection and disposal of all firearms. Howards imput was to start it and deduct the medicare levy, it was totaly run by state govenments who made profits from it, Buildings for the disposal and all the infrastructure stayed in the states NSW gained buildings machinery and had the wages of employees paid by the federal govt. There were lots of state public service and government people with their snouts in the trough in fact one of the main perdsons was the main person for a firearms Association president.anyone intereseted I have the names and pics of some of the stuff up that the govt didnt want to do anything about.

:woohoo: Statrting to rant now...my last word on this subject :blink:

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The last firearm byback was preformed by the liberal govt of the time with the bypartism support of the rest of the parliment so i dont think kicking labour over this 1 will help here as Johnie Howard is reincarnated as Tony Abbot

Right mark, but they were run by the State Governments they regulated the system and were responsible for the paying out and collection and disposal of all firearms. Howards imput was to start it and deduct the medicare levy, it was totaly run by state govenments who made profits from it, Buildings for the disposal and all the infrastructure stayed in the states NSW gained buildings machinery and had the wages of employees paid by the federal govt. There were lots of state public service and government people with their snouts in the trough in fact one of the main perdsons was the main person for a firearms Association president.anyone intereseted I have the names and pics of some of the stuff up that the govt didnt want to do anything about.

:woohoo: Statrting to rant now...my last word on this subject :blink:

Lots of stuff ups and not to mention the thousands of guns never logged through the system from the voluntary amnesty.

I know one cop in a single man station who had many guns left on his counter and no record of who left them there and he kept the lot along with a ton of ammo.

To make matters worse his station was right on the border but in Victoria.

With the prices paid for the guns I can just imagine how much he made out of that.

The people in the know at the time spent every cent they had many months before hand buying every listed gun they could get their hands on.

Every day there was columns of ads in newspapers of buyers wanting guns with top cash paid.Some of these guys made tens of thousands of dollars out of crappy old guns that in many cases the payout figures were triple the market value.

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This thread once again is a good point not to bring up politics, you see opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

well said ;)

lets just concentrate on fishing, face facts, no matter who is in government, they are politicians, hence they suck, and cannot be trusted no matter what side you barrack for.

maybe this is the site for people to comment http://www.pm.gov.au/contact-your-pm so go to it!!!

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