What Size Electric ?

[ellicat]

Just pricing up the cost to install an electric on Ellicatch.

Looking at which one I'll be getting and I'm not sure if a 54 inch/55lb will be long enough or strong enough on those choppy days with a bit of extra current. I was thinking I may have to go an 80lb to get the longer shaft. This will, of course, be substantially dearer and also require dearer batteries and therefore a harder sell to the Minister for Finance.

Do you think I could get away with the 54 inch ?

Boat is a 4.7 metre Quintrex runabout.

 

 

[Angry51]

What's wrong with Kat? she getting sick of pulling up

the anchor.

[Aaron H]

I have a 55lb motorguide 54 inch on my renegade  It will hold on spot lock in the current at claras rocks but manouvering is a bit slow on it and gave up at peel reefs and anchor as it was like a bloody yo yo when boats went past and it had to correct itself 

[ellicat]

Thanks Aaron.

That's what I'm thinking of - it being able to handle the waves. If only they made 55lb with a longer shaft.

[Allnighter]

29 minutes ago, ellicat said:

Thanks Aaron.

That's what I'm thinking of - it being able to handle the waves. If only they made 55lb with a longer shaft.

We all want a longer shaft Brian

But dont forget... do you really want to be out there if the 55/ 54inch cavitates from the wave height or cant handle the current  anyway?

Minimum of 120ah battery

I would give the boys at Brisbane Yamaha a call for advice, they are long term quinny and minny dealers.

[ellicat]

2 hours ago, Allnighter said:

We all want a longer shaft Brian

But dont forget... do you really want to be out there if the 55/ 54inch cavitates from the wave height or cant handle the current  anyway?

Minimum of 120ah battery

I would give the boys at Brisbane Yamaha a call for advice, they are long term quinny and minny dealers.

Haha. True.

Not normally, but I'm thinking of occasions when chasing macks in the northern bay and it chops up a bit when spot-locking to throw some slugs.

I guess speaking to Brisbane Yamaha is the way to go.

[Old Scaley]

15 minutes ago, ellicat said:

Haha. True.

Not normally, but I'm thinking of occasions when chasing macks in the northern bay and it chops up a bit when spot-locking to throw some slugs.

I guess speaking to Brisbane Yamaha is the way to go.

They should also have a good idea about the best mounting position on your Quinny. Hopefully supply won’t be an issue but I wouldn’t be surprised if you had to wait for it.

[ellicat]

From what I've garnered from the interweb I couldn't expect anything before early July if I pre-order now.

[Junky]

Years ago we had a 55lb on a 475 hornet trophy decked with with all the fruit. Heavy boat, the one I smashed the alloy prop on...

Worked well. Will hold in current etc, not sure of northern bay swell/chop though. 

[Drop Bear]

I don't like my Motorguide. I cant review any other brands but the paint fell off it within a few months and its hard to put up and down and the lock down has given me trouble. perhaps chat with one of the bass legends as they have a lot of experience? 

[Hweebe]

@ellicat do you have enough space at the front for the longer shaft? Otherwise it will be overhanging or hit the runabout windscreen. This may make the decision for you.

How much room in the runabout for 1 or 2 batteries? And don't forget about the weight.

Are you are fairweather fisho? You might get some cavitation  but if it is chasing less of an issue compared to wanting to spot lock on SpotX and the boat drifting out of position.

 

[ellicat]

I'm thinking I will have to do something like this to avoid the windscreen -

I have room on the floor in a compartment in front of the passenger foot well for two batteries (lithium). Shown in red.

I'd mainly be using it for spot-locking, but there are those days chasing macks or approaching schools of tuna in lumpier conditions. Probably like @Allnighter suggested - I shouldn't be out there in those conditions, but it does/will happen occasionally. I guess those days I will do what I do now and use the donk on the back.

 

[kmcrosby78]

2 hours ago, ellicat said:

 

 

 

Haven't had time to read through yet, but at first glance I foresee a few problems:

1. There is a hole at the top of the roof of your house ......

2. The front door isn't attached to the floor/frame of the house so could fall over ......

3. The beds are on the outside of the house, which apart from being unpractical, would be rather cold in winter ..... not to mention the problem when it rains .......

4. You're pretty carp (see what I did there .....) at drawing ....... 

Edited June 20 by kmcrosby78

[Angry51]

[GregOug]

1 hour ago, kmcrosby78 said:

Haven't had time to read through yet, but at first glance I foresee a few problems:

1. There is a hole at the top of the roof of your house ......

2. The front door isn't attached to the floor/frame of the house so could fall over ......

3. The beds are on the outside of the house, which apart from being unpractical, would be rather cold in winter ..... not to mention the problem when it rains .......

4. You're pretty carp (see what I did there .....) at drawing ....... 

I’ve warned him to stick to fishing KM, but he won’t listen.

[GregOug]

4 hours ago, ellicat said:

I'm thinking I will have to do something like this to avoid the windscreen -

I have room on the floor in a compartment in front of the passenger foot well for two batteries (lithium). Shown in red.

I'd mainly be using it for spot-locking, but there are those days chasing macks or approaching schools of tuna in lumpier conditions. Probably like @Allnighter suggested - I shouldn't be out there in those conditions, but it does/will happen occasionally. I guess those days I will do what I do now and use the donk on the back.

 

I think you need to concentrate on getting a new boat before you worry about an electric. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend it is a boat you’ve drawn, which is more than KM did. So here goes:

I wouldn’t take it out in any sort of sea, or even water for that matter, given that you have a gap at the bow funneling water into the boat. 

You have some serious barnacles growing on the port side which, if left unchecked, will eventually sink your boat, so to speak. You have a serious problem at the stern , port side, indicated in red.

Apart from that, I think your artistry is getting better, which wouldn’t be hard.

[Angry51]

3 minutes ago, GregOug said:

 funneling water into the boat. 

That's the hydro to generate power for the new electric motor.

Haven't you been  listening to what he's been saying.

[GregOug]

2 minutes ago, Angry51 said:

That's the hydro to generate power for the new electric motor.

Haven't you been  listening to what he's been saying.

I stopped listening when I got married.

[GregOug]

Mind you, the image below was my only attempt at a drawing on this site, so who am I to criticise.

 

[GregOug]

1 minute ago, GregOug said:

Mind you, the image below was my only attempt at a drawing on this site, so who am I to criticise.

 

At least I attempted to explain my drawing with labels.

[ellicat]

Show off. I'm not even going to try to reach your level!

[GregOug]

10 minutes ago, ellicat said:

Show off. I'm not even going to try to reach your level!

If you can’t beat ‘em, confuse ‘em.

[GregOug]

11 minutes ago, ellicat said:

Show off. I'm not even going to try to reach your level!

It’s long way down.

[Hweebe]

@ellicat only other consideration is whether u might be upgrading boats again down the track “never say never” a bigger unit could be easier to transfer across to larger Ellicatch 2

[GregOug]

6 minutes ago, Hweebe said:

@ellicat only other consideration is whether u might be upgrading boats again down the track “never say never” a bigger unit could be easier to transfer across to larger Ellicatch 2

I’m sure that reasoning will go down a treat with the missus when Brian is defending his purchase. 

[kmcrosby78]

23 hours ago, GregOug said:

I stopped listening when I got married.

I'm not sure if it was 'listening' that she wanted you to stop doing though Greg ............ 

[benno573]

this thread got a bit silly now didn't it... good to see @GregOug is still keeping the australian wine industry afloat...

 

my thought bubble on this for you @ellicat would be how much use you are going to get from it.  it's a significant outlay of cash (especially when you factor in 2 x lithium batteries, the new battery charger, the wiring, install etc), would that cash be better utilized elsewhere?  new better pitched prop for the merc maybe? new boat towing rig?

 

of course.. you could just give up the durries and you'll have it paid for 4 times before xmas... 

[GregOug]

19 hours ago, kmcrosby78 said:

I'm not sure if it was 'listening' that she wanted you to stop doing though Greg ............ 

She ended up getting that too. Once the boys were born.

[ellicat]

1 hour ago, benno573 said:

this thread got a bit silly now didn't it... good to see @GregOug is still keeping the australian wine industry afloat...

 

my thought bubble on this for you @ellicat would be how much use you are going to get from it.  it's a significant outlay of cash (especially when you factor in 2 x lithium batteries, the new battery charger, the wiring, install etc), would that cash be better utilized elsewhere?  new better pitched prop for the merc maybe? new boat towing rig?

 

of course.. you could just give up the durries and you'll have it paid for 4 times before xmas... 

Yeah, I've guesstimated it to be roughly 7k, drive away. I would definitely use it almost every time I went out though.

The smokes and I are on terse terms and may be separating shortly to pursue our own activities.

[kmcrosby78]

6 hours ago, GregOug said:

She ended up getting that too. Once the boys were born.

I was talking about 'talking' (ironically ...... ) ......... 

[GregOug]

5 hours ago, kmcrosby78 said:

I was talking about 'talking' (ironically ...... ) ......... 

Me too. Of course.

[Hweebe]

15 hours ago, ellicat said:

Yeah, I've guesstimated it to be roughly 7k, drive away. I would definitely use it almost every time I went out though.

The smokes and I are on terse terms and may be separating shortly to pursue our own activities.

Is $7k for the standard electric or a fancy self deploy model?

[ellicat]

I was thinking about a self deploy/stow model but they are way too expensive. $7K is for the 80lb/60" shaft ($4900), 2 lithium batteries ($1700) and boat mods to fit it. I may end up having someone else to install it which will blow the budget, hence this thread. A 55lb/54" shaft is $3960.

[Hweebe]

@ellicat aside from the bow mount (unless you are good with welding) you could definitely save some dollars and do the install yourself.

Have DIY installed a few years back on a smaller tinnie.

The actual electrics is as simple as it comes on a boat as it will be isolated from the rest of your boat.

1) Correct gauge wires for the run from trolling motor to lithium batteries

2) Correct AMP isolator switch

3) Correct AMP Fuse block

4) Battery holders and wiring across the batteries

5) Mounting bolts / nuts X 6 to attach to the bow mount.

6) Optional - Anderson plugs if you want the trolling motor to be removable vs perm wiring.

7) Optional - onboard trickle charger or you can just use the portable plug in type.

8 ) Optional - blue tooth battery monitor or battery LED display - the trolling motor will already have a battery indicator.

 

 

[ellicat]

I think I could get the install done with a bit of help from AFO. Would want to install an Anderson plug for charging the batteries too, to keep life simple and negate the need for me to get on my hands and knees to connect alligator clips everytime.

[Hweebe]

Yeah definitely a plug for the batteries too.

I was using a CTEK charger for mine and it came with alligator clips or a plug that you could wire permanently. I just used that plug so I didn't have to create a customer Anderson plug for the batteries.

 

[Old Scaley]

https://www.theboatwarehouse.com.au/electric-trolling-motors/minn-kota-motors/minn-kota-riptide-terrova-with-advanced-ipilot-saltwater-bow-mount/?sku=MNK-601605&gclid=CjwKCAjw-8qVBhANEiwAfjXLrkF9re25Eh7d3mvbM3BJCteVVqFmbwSA_HenIfAtjxBTm3IgJCxKdhoCl_oQAvD_BwE

Here is a 55lb 60” shaft for $3592.50.  I am not sure how the “lift assist” works? I don’t think that mine has it, but it might be a nice compromise between totally manual and auto-stow. Also, to @Hweebe‘s point about Anderson plugs, if you fit them between the motor and the battery you can easily plug in the charger and you also don’t need an isolation switch. Happy to help you install it when you get around to it.

[ellicat]

Funny, that is the website I've been using for pricing but didn't find that particular model. I can't see the difference except price and shaft length.

https://www.theboatwarehouse.com.au/electric-trolling-motors/minn-kota-motors/minn-kota-riptide-terrova-with-ipilot-link-saltwater-bow-mount/

[Andrew_P]

Lift assist is just a spring on the shaft that works in a mechanical way. All newer models have them it just lessens the weight of the propellor end when you are stowing and deploying. 
 

brian you will be able to do the install and wiring. I’m hopeless and I managed to do it on my boat. No problems yet touch wood! But I’ve been touching wood more than I’ve been fishing so maybe that’s why the electric hasn’t caused any problems?

[Andrew_P]

Mk 80lb 60inch