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Gillard or Rudd?  

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ellicat Grand Master

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He jumped before he was pushed, he will now sit on the backbench, let Gillard Implode, then challenge when the time and the numbers are right, perhaps take the leadership and hopefully save us all from Abbott.

You jest, I'm sure.

This has been the worst there has ever been or will be. Rotten from the start. Too much Green and socialist input. Can't wait to get back to the days when everyone is not angry about something the government is doing or has done. The days where the government pledged and succeeded in making people comfortable. ;)

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He jumped before he was pushed, he will now sit on the backbench, let Gillard Implode, then challenge when the time and the numbers are right, perhaps take the leadership and hopefully save us all from Abbott.

You jest, I'm sure.

This has been the worst there has ever been or will be. Rotten from the start. Too much Green and socialist input. Can't wait to get back to the days when everyone is not angry about something the government is doing or has done. The days where the government pledged and succeeded in making people comfortable. ;)

mate I was angry at nearly everything Howard did (except gun control) and so were a lot of people as they voted him out of his seat in the 07 election.

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The days where the government pledged and succeeded in making people comfortable. ;)
unless you bore the brunt of workchoices, or were a mentally ill australian citizen sent to detention centers, or if you were a refugee, or if you didn't earn over $150K.

What you need to say is "succeeded in making the rich richer, and the poor poorer"

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You jest don't you ellicat this goverment has kept us out of the GFC fought for social rights again and the last lot was a goverment that made us all just think of ourselves first and forget the most vunerable in our country i'll be died in wool labour all my life after little johny howard showed liberals true colours

He jumped before he was pushed, he will now sit on the backbench, let Gillard Implode, then challenge when the time and the numbers are right, perhaps take the leadership and hopefully save us all from Abbott.

You jest, I'm sure.

This has been the worst there has ever been or will be. Rotten from the start. Too much Green and socialist input. Can't wait to get back to the days when everyone is not angry about something the government is doing or has done. The days where the government pledged and succeeded in making people comfortable. ;)

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ellicat Grand Master

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Having been a public practising accountant through their whole period of government I can assure you you are wrong. Very few missed out. The $150,000 must be some crazy figure plucked from thin air or a repeat of some rhetorical spin from a lunatic. Even Work Choices did not disadvantage that many. A whole heap of fear and mistruths was disseminated by the union movement to get the Ruddster over the line. I was surprised when attending seminars at just how misleading the union adverts were.

Refugees got a good deal. I'm a bit callous perhaps, but I didn't know any of the few that were hurt, so couldn't care less about them.

I think you need to take the plural out of the mentally ill person that was mistakenly detained. Are you blaming the government for a mistake some boffin made ?

Enough people were happy enough with Howard's team for 11 years. This mob didn't last 11 months before the wheels fell off, and the axles been dragging along the road ever since making the most excruciating noise.

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Refugees got a good deal.

except the ones that Howard lied about in the ""children overboard"" affair designed to save his political arse, lets not forget the ones who had human rights abuses bestowed upon them in the detention centers.

Even Work Choices did not disadvantage that many. A whole heap of fear and mistruths was disseminated by the union movement to get the Ruddster over the line. I was surprised when attending seminars at just how misleading the union adverts were.

You would have been attending seminars from right wingers trying to erode the rights of workers even more mate so you could save your client's more money. How about when Reith sent attack dogs onto the warves to kick out workers??? O yeah that is right, unions suck because they try and get their members a fair go so they can provide for their families, but your clients wouldn't like that, would mean they could only stay 4 star and fly economy instead of business and 5 star on their next family ski trip.

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ellicat Grand Master

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You would have been attending seminars from right wingers trying to erode the rights of workers even more mate so you could save your client's more money. How about when Reith sent attack dogs onto the warves to kick out workers??? O yeah that is right, unions suck because they try and get their members a fair go so they can provide for their families, but your clients wouldn't like that, would mean they could only stay 4 star and fly economy instead of business and 5 star on their next family ski trip.

Come on mate, that's pretty immature. I intended factual seminars so I knew the law. Nothing more nothing less.

I thought unions were just about the officials getting free whores from the members funds :whistle:, or simple thuggery and threats like leaving shovels outside the homes of executives interested in their members' rights etc (heaven forbid). Are you one of those people that thinks everybody in business is mega-rich ? Seriously wrong if you do.

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ellicat Grand Master

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Refugees got a good deal.

except the ones that Howard lied about in the ""children overboard"" affair designed to save his political arse, lets not forget the ones who had human rights abuses bestowed upon them in the detention centers.

Gillard and Rudd have killed a lot more than that and rooted the system that was working. :P I'd be willing to bet my left nut that neither party wants bad stuff to happen.

We need a new party, that has equal representation from all walks of life, big biz, unions, dare I say, the greens, we need a new party.

We may have had a short period of this when Hawke was in and had control of the unions, but with the unions having control now it is a sham. We'll never have what is ideal for everybody. If the Greens have as much influence as they have now then only a very small minority (less than the number of votes they receive) would be happy. Who knows, this mob may have been tolerable if it wasn't for the Greens whacky world ideals and ideas.

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Its just what i believe and i sit back and rarely get into political debates here on the site but see alot from the other side of politics and just wanted a balance to it for one, do you think i would believe anything do you Brian or are you just stiring i'm not 18yrs old anymore and can have my own opinions

Tugger, If you believe the GFC was averted due solely to Swan and Rudd you'd believe anything.

What social rights ?

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ellicat Grand Master

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Its just what i believe and i sit back and rarely get into political debates here on the site but see alot from the other side of politics and just wanted a balance to it for one, do you think i would believe anything do you Brian or are you just stiring i'm not 18yrs old anymore and can have my own opinions

Tugger, If you believe the GFC was averted due solely to Swan and Rudd you'd believe anything.

What social rights ?

Yeah, sounds a bit harsh on second read :blush: Opine away Mark. I know you're an old bstard like me (nearly) :lol:

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I just wish John Howard got out of Peter Costello's way then we would not even be talking about this.

I voted Liberal all my voting life up till Johnny thought it was a good idea to follow George into Iraq.

no I'm not over it yet

Cant comment on all of the deployments in the middle east but while I was there we were there to protect Australians, thats all. I think it was a good idea because it got a bit hot at times and a lot more people could have been injured. Media will give their own little twist on things to get a story out of it and who's pocket there are in at the time.

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Forced to choose, I would go with Krudd over the evil Welsh woman.

The truth is, no one in Australian politics is currently up to standard. Greens are an absolute joke who have lost their way from their core policies and are trying too hard to play politics with issues they really just don't get. The Labor party are....well, the Labor party. Led by faceless factions who are only out for themselves. And the Liberals are being led by the most negative politician I think I have ever seen. He doesn't have any great policies , and seems to think that the way to win an election is to simply disagree with everything his opposition says.

God help us all.

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No one likes a back stabbing bitch. Plain and simple. She did nothing for women trying to get their equal share in any power seat.

I never really got into politics and have only started listening recently. Man it's played out like lord of the flies and if it wasn't for such public arenas i'm sure it would end in such ways.

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Reason we didnt feel the brunt of the GFC was not due to the stimulus. It was because of the position we were in before it hit. The position the lib gov put us in. Also because we are so in china and india pocket we rode their bubble.

The experts do say the our stimulus package was 1 of the best world wide. Very lucky for the government. It was designed on guess work rather than fact. They got lucky.

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Put them both in a boat tow it out to sea and let the airforce use it for target practise!!!!

Honestly neither of these two clowns are up to it - if they wwanted to be honest with the people they would call an election

That way we would get rid of them, their taxes, the Green idiots and hopefully get back on track

Wishful thinking but there is always hope I guess

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The Kevin Rudd that many seem to think is a regular fisho like us is a myth. My guess is he's about as likely to know an alvey from an abu as Bob Brown. He's not a strip club going, sports loving, true blue Queenslander. That's just the image he's worked out will get him more power. Take my advice on this one: of the two, Gillard is more genuine. Watch him; he's a snake in the grass. My $0.02 anyway.

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How much of the good position the Libs left us in was due to asset sales?
and they raised taxes overall, I tell you I would have heaps of coin in the bank too if you doubled my salary and halved my outgoings. It took an ALP government to fix Ipswich Rd, Johnny Howard neglected it for years, probably something to do with all the safe labor seats out our way.
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